When will the Watchtower Society be desolated?

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  Hiddenservant

  Did you know that the answer is provided in the Scriptures through the 70 Weeks prophecy?

  Daniel’s 70 Weeks Prophecy Explained.

  The 70 weeks were split into three parts. Here is the reason why.

  The prophecy is not only about the Messiah, it is also about God’s people and the holy city, as verse 24 makes clear. In fact, that is the main thrust of the prophecy.

  “There are 70 weeks that have been determined for your people and your holy city…” (Dan 9:24)

  7 weeks (rebuilding of the holy city and restoration of God’s people) plus

  62 weeks (appearance of the Messiah to God’s people) (vs 25–26a)

  1 week (destruction of the holy city and punishment upon God’s people) (vs 26b-27)

  When was the 1 week fulfilled? It was during the 7 year Jewish War of 66–73 CE. This war is also foretold in the prophecy:
  
  “And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations.” (v 26)

  When did sacrifice and gift offering end and who ended it? The prophecy and history tells us this happened in 70 CE “at the half of the week” (halfway through the 7 year Jewish War):

  “And the people of a leader (General Titus) who is coming will destroy the city and the holy place… and at the half of the week, he (General Titus) will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.” (vs 26b-27a)

  But there is more to this prophecy. The 70th week is in fact a type of an antitype which has a modern-day fulfillment, not upon unfaithful Jews and their holy city, but upon apostate Christians and their organization. There was only a partial fulfillment between 66 and 73 CE. We know this because the six prophetic events described in verse 24 have not been fulfilled and there was no "covenant with many" confirmed during that period. When will the antitypical 70th week take place and what is the covenant with many?

  At the United Nations SDG Summit in September 2023 the United Nations did indeed “confirm” an existing “covenant” they made with “many” nations back in 2015 for a further “week” (7 years). This covenant, or treaty, is known as Agenda 2030. The United Nations "wild beast" will be the counterfeit kingdom ("eighth king") set up by Satan to oppose God's Kingdom (what some refer to as the "antichrist" or abomination of desolation).

  "And he (the United Nations) will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering."

  This raises the question: Which “people” and “holy city” will the disgusting thing (abomination of desolation) desolate "in the middle of the week" in 2027, and why?

  The answer is Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society because of their "transgression," which includes the false teaching of 1914 and shunning, among other errors. This transgression is foretold at Daniel 9:24 and Daniel 8.

  “There are 70 weeks that have been determined for your people and your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression.."

  "It (the United Nations eighth king) exalted itself even against the Prince of the army (Christ), and from him the constant feature (worship) was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down. And an army (of Christian soldiers) was given over, together with the constant feature, because of transgression..."

  These six unfulfilled points (v 24b) will be fulfilled upon the 144,000 in 2030:

  1. to terminate the transgression (the death of Christ did not end the transgression)
  2. to finish off sin (the death of Christ did not end sin)
  3. to make atonement for error (the error of God’s people as a nation has not been atoned for)
  4. to bring in everlasting righteousness (the death of Christ did not do this)
  5. to seal up the vision and the prophecy (the death of Christ did not accomplish this)
  6. to anoint the Holy of Holies (the death of Christ did not facilitate this. Only when all 144,000 are resurrected to heaven can this take place)
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  a watcher

  Probably during the GT.
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  stan livedeath

  when the money runs out
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  Phizzy

  " when the money runs out " Spot on ! that is the only way they will come to an end, and even then a few deluded J.W's will hang on to their beliefs.

  The O.P is the most utter nonsense. The Book of Daniel contains NO prophecies for a later time, the Writer says he expects his predictions to happen shortly after the time he wrote, which was actually in the 2nd century BCE. The Work was completed just before 164 BCE.

  To look for a later fulfillment is just plain silly.
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  Vidqun

  Quite a few scholars suggest that the seventy weeks of Daniel should be split in 69 weeks + 1 week. After 69 weeks of years had elapsed, the Messiah will appear. He will then be cut off with nothing for himself (Dan. 9:24-26a). The final week of seven years, these insist, will only take place during the Great Tribulation, the leader or prince being a false messiah or antichrist (Dan. 9:26b, 27).

  A major obstacle, contradicting such a view, is the use of masculine “weeks” in the Hebrew text of Dan. 9:24. This means that the seventy weeks should be viewed as a unit, and not as individual fragments. The Seventy Weeks Prophecy has all to do with the first appearance of the Messiah and the siege of Jerusalem (cf. Luke 21:20-22).

  Hebrew "sevens" or "weeks": שָׁבעֻיִם . The noun שָׁבעֻיִם ("weeks") in Daniel 9:24 is masculine plural. Only in Daniel does the masculine plural of this word occur (9:24, 25 [twice], 26; 10:2, 3); elsewhere in the Old Testament the feminine plural is used. As has been documented by major biblical Hebrew grammars, in cases of double-gender plurals the masculine ending ים ◌ִ—stresses totality, fullness, wholeness, and entirety, whereas the feminine plural ending וֹת —stresses constituent parts. Thus, according to Hasel (following Joüon and Muraoka), שׂ דֶָח ("field") with the feminine plural ending means "individual fields, individual farms," whereas with the masculine plural ending it has the more comprehensive sense of "fields, countryside" in a more unitary sense. Likewise, the noun אֲלמֻּ ה ("sheaf") with the masculine plural ending refers to sheaves in general, whereas with the feminine plural ending it refers to individual sheaves. Applying this distinction to Daniel 9:24, one would expect that since the masculine plural ending is used the seventy weeks are viewed as a total unit, stressing completeness and unity. The feminine form, on the other hand, would have emphasized the individual weeks of the period under discussion. This emphasis on totality in turn helps explain why the verb "has been determined" in verse 24 is singular, even though the subject ("weeks") is plural. On the basis of the morphology of the plural ending of the word "weeks" Hasel says, "It is inappropriate from the linguistic and syntactical point of view to separate the sum total of the ‘seventy-week’ period of time into sixty-nine weeks that are continuous and a last week that is separated from them by a ‘gap,’ ‘parenthesis,’ or some other time element which places the seventieth week in the future" (p. 118). Rather, he states, "the masculine plural form šāb̠uʿîm in Dan 9:24 is employed to emphasize the sum total of the ‘seventy weeks’ as a complete and uninterrupted span of time" (p. 117).

  Daniel’s Seventy Weeks Prophecy predicts the appearance of the Messiah on earth as Jehovah God’s king designate. It also envisages the destruction of the Jewish system by the Romans, and the levelling of Jerusalem and its temple. It has to do with the suffering of the Jews in 70 CE. Jesus did compare conditions in Jerusalem during the Roman siege to conditions on earth during the Great Tribulation (Luke 21:20-25). The suffering of the Jews trapped in Jerusalem could be viewed as a precedent of what is to come.

  "The Hebrew Masculine Plural for ‘Weeks’ in the Expression ‘Seventy Weeks’ in Daniel 9:24," Gerhard F. Hasel, Andrews University Seminary Studies 31 (1993): pp. 105-118.
  
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  TonusOH

  Phizzy: The Book of Daniel contains NO prophecies for a later time

  On the other hand, I approve of people making use of Daniel to predict pretty much anything and everything they think will happen. Perhaps it will become enough of a parody that people will finally realize how silly all of this 'Bible chronology' stuff really is.
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  ThomasMore

  Hiddenservant - Since WTC is once again a card-carrying NGO of the UN, how is it that they will be desolated by the UN, which does not devour it's own?
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  Hiddenservant

  "The Seventy Weeks Prophecy has all to do with the first appearance of the Messiah AND the siege of Jerusalem."

  "Daniel’s Seventy Weeks Prophecy predicts the appearance of the Messiah on earth as Jehovah God’s king designate. It ALSO envisages the destruction of the Jewish system by the Romans, and the levelling of Jerusalem and its temple. It has to do with the suffering of the Jews in 70 CE."

  That's right, the Seventy Weeks prophecy has to do with the appearance of the Messiah AND the siege of Jerusalem. In other words, the siege of Jerusalem IS A PART OF THE SEVENTY WEEKS. Which part - the 7 weeks, 62 weeks, or 1 week? That siege is described in verses 26b to 27. The appearance of the Messiah is described in the preceding verses (25 to 26a). When did the siege of Jerusalem take place? During a 7 year period known as the 7 Year Jewish War. That was the 70th week. Seven years is one week.
  

  Your masculine vs feminine argument is irrelevant.
  
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  Vidqun

  Hiddenservant, the future of Jerusalem is absolutely part of the prophecy. View it as a case of cause and effect. Jerusalem and the temple would become irrelevant when Jesus presented his superior sacrifice to his Father. He would prolong the covenant for Jew and Samaritan for one week (Dan. 9:27a). At the half of the week he would cause sacrifice and offerings to cease (Dan. 9:27b; Heb. 9:12; 10:12 NET). Thus, from that moment onwards Jerusalem would lose its privilege to be the city of the great king (cf. Matt. 5:35). The temple precint and the sacrifices offered there would also become irrelevant. The emphasis would now fall of Mount Zion of heavenly Jerusalem (Hebr. 12:22). So whether the demise of Jerusalem and the temple happened within the week or not, these would play no further part in God's purpose.
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  Hiddenservant

  Vidqun,

  many denominations, including Jehovah's Witnesses, have taken verse 27 out of context and falsely applied it to the Messiah. They have created a belief based upon false assumptions that

  1 the “covenant” of verse 27 is the Abrahamic covenant somehow kept in force by Christ for 7 years.

  2 the “many” of verse 27 refers to many Jews under that covenant.

  3 the “he” of verse 27 who causes sacrifice and gift offering to cease refers to the Messiah and not Roman General Titus.

  This teaching is false and not unique to Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Here is the incorrect chronological order of events where verse 27 is taken out of context and falsely applied to the Messiah:

  26 And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself.

  (Appearance of the Messiah)
  
  And the people of a leader who is coming will destroy the city and the holy place. And its end will be by the flood. And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations

  (Destruction of the temple)
  
  27 And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.

  (Appearance of the Messiah) < misapplied to the Messiah and out of context
  
  And on the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, what was decided on will be poured out also on the one lying desolate.

  (Destruction of the temple)

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  Here is the correct chronological order:

  26 And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself.

  (Appearance of the Messiah - 69 weeks)
  
  And the people of a leader who is coming will destroy the city and the holy place. And its end will be by the flood. And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations

  (Destruction of the temple - 70th week)
  
  27 And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.

  (Destruction of the temple - 70th week)
  
  And on the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, what was decided on will be poured out also on the one lying desolate.

  (Destruction of the temple - 70th week)

  Although not acceptable to Jehovah, sacrifice and gift offering continued at the temple until the 70th week was fulfilled between 66 and 73 CE when Roman General Titus destroyed the temple ending sacrifice and gift offering in 70 CE.