President-Elect Trump Tears Into Biden For Making World 'Vastly Dangerous'; World War 3 Warning!

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  Esoteric

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  LIVE STREAMING | Russia Fires First ICBM at Ukraine:
  Dnipro City Hit, Kyiv’s Air Force Panics After Attack!
  (Oneindia News)

  
  
  Russia launched its first-ever intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) at Ukraine, targeting critical infrastructure in Dnipro. This unprecedented strike marks a significant escalation in the conflict, following Ukraine's recent attacks inside Russian territory using U.S. and British missiles. The long-range missile, capable of carrying nuclear warheads, heightens tensions and raises concerns about potential nuclear confrontation, with Putin's altered nuclear doctrine adding to the uncertainty.
  
  This video has been LIVE STREAMING for 7 hours by Oneindia News on YouTube.
  
  Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIapSKpIeXs
  
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  pepperheart2

  the person who has made the world vastly dangerous is putin by invading ukraine and these past few weeks by getting 10,000 soldiers from north korea.putin has showed the world just how weak russia is when they cant even beat the ukraine army.
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  peacefulpete

  I couldn't help but see some of those still images and think of WT covers. Everyone knows what war is, but a steady diet of images of nuclear bombs will mess with your objectivity. The reality is the decisions are Ukraine's to make. They know the situation and the strategy. Russia has exploited the lack of range of Ukrainian weaponry. Their allies have effectively untied their hands. Russia is doing all they can to make it appear that the West are the aggressors. (gaslighting) Some here have swallowed that line. Trump is parroting Russian propaganda. They have used this same gameplan before successfully. When the west condemned the invasion of Crimea in 2014, Putin threatened nuclear war if the west tried to interfere. That was the real beginning of the Ukraine/Russia war.
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  TonusOH

  I am wondering why Ukraine needed permission to launch missiles into Russia, which it has been at war with for two (almost three?) years. If they did, that means that someone else is making some very important decisions about how the war is conducted, doesn't it?
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  peacefulpete

  No it means they recognize their critical need for support of allies and respect rules of war. The US, UK and others set conditions of use on weapons they supplied for their defense. Russia responded by backing many key military targets away from the border beyond the limits imposed and began using longer range weapons on civilian targets. There are still conditions upon the allies' weapons, the details are not public for good reason. Some have concluded that the US ATACMS might only have been approved for use in Kursk region primarily, as that has how they have been used so far. Conditions change in response to necessity. Ukraine does have some domestically produced long range weapons and so far, have aimed at only legitimate targets deeper into Russia.
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  TonusOH

  peacefulpete: The US, UK and others set conditions of use on weapons they supplied for their defense.

  Right. And it appears that one of those conditions was that they could not fire those missiles deep into Russian territory, a condition that has been changed. Why wouldn't Russia see this as an escalation?
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  peacefulpete

  Russia is already firing deep into Ukraine and Ukraine has already used its own few long-range weapons into Russia. Russia is upset that this adjustment by Ukraine's allies complicates their strategy. The word 'escalation' is slippery. It could easily be used, and was used, by Russia as soon as Ukraine resisted occupation. Is effective resistance 'escalation'? depends upon who side you ask. Russia is not concerned about its 'escalation' of the war, by securing N.Korean soldiers and weapons. Iranian weapons as well. It is upset that their aggression is being effectively countered in response.

  I'm not an armchair general, but I can see when language is tooled as propaganda. It seems apparent that Russia is stretched to the point of asking for foot soldiers. Putin appears to be waiting for the West to just roll over and let him keep the strategically important and resource rich areas he has invaded. The recent adjustment is not a 'game changer' in the sense of bringing a swift end to the war. Ukraine is still in a fight for its life. Its allies have simply given it new options.
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  peacefulpete

  I'm reassured by public statements by China that call for restraint. Honestly I slightly question if China might not be wishing to see a weakened Russia. It wasn't that long ago that they were at war.

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  Riley

  Russia has one of the poorest road networks in the world and relies heavily on the rail network. They have created a network of fuel depots and ammo dumps along these rail networks without thinking the Ukrainians would ever have the ability to strike thousands of miles within Russia. If Ukraine can now strike these targets within Russia , it can really slow the pace of the Russian advance.

  The nuclear threat are more a product of Putin will now have to start recruiting from the educated middle class if he wants to keep this war going , which will eventually lead to regime change. Russia only have 8 million males from the age of 20 to 30.
  

  Fuck Putin

  Live Free or Die.
  
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  TonusOH

  peacefulpete: The word 'escalation' is slippery.

  Perhaps, but it is an apt description. I am not speaking to the motivations of any of the players here. But if a restriction has been lifted that allows for greater damage and destruction to be brought to bear, it cannot be anything other than escalation.

  Personally, I think Russia deserves every bit of the bloody nose they might get as a result. And the potential downside is quite small, for the West. The fact that they've openly armed/trained Ukraine makes me think that they feel Putin is cornered. If they are right, this gives Ukraine a better bargaining position if Trump is serious about trying to end the conflict.

  If they're wrong, they may have created quite the mess for the next administration to have to deal with.