True Prophecy

by littleone 25 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • littleone
    littleone

    "For no matter how many the promises of God are, they have become Yes by means of him. Therefore also through him is the "Amen" [said] to God for glory through us."-2 Cor 1:20
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    All the promises of God are found throughout the Hebrew scriptures. Any utterance that Jehovah made must go forth and not return to him without the said results, for it is impossible for God to lie. Jehovah honors his word, if anything can be trusted in most, it would have to be that the word that Jehovah has spoken will without fail come true. He is not a sloppy God.

    But how do you know the word that Jehovah has spoken? Many have given interpretations that they have said are divinely given, but which later have proven false. Many were misled by these interpretations for various reasons. But as stated above, Jehovah is not a sloppy God. In his word the bible lies all the answers his servants need to determine if such interpretations are from God or not. Let's consider this.

    Revelation 19:10(b part) says: "Worship God; for the bearing witness to Jesus is what inspires prophesying." As stated above, Jehovah honors his word, therefore he must honor this scripture. The very first prophecy given was by Jehovah himself. This is found in the book of Genesis in chapter 3. Here the man, the woman, and the serpent are brought before the great King and Judge, Jehovah himself. After having sinned, these three are brought before him for judgement. In passing out that sentence, Jehovah utters the first prophecy. If the rules we have just established are true, Jehovah must honor them,---he does. Let's see what he says that bears witness to Jesus. "And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel."-Gen 3:15 Here in the first prophecy recorded in the bible, Jehovah bears witness to Jesus by calling him the 'seed'. Yes, it is through him that Jehovah planned to restore mankind from its fallen state, and it is also through him that Jehovah justifies his universal sovreignty and removes the slander (by the serpent) on his most holy name. It is also through Jesus that the serpents head gets crushed, thus removing all opposition to Jehovah's sovreignty. Yes, ALL PROPHECY THAT COMES FROM JEHOVAH BEARS WITNESS TO JESUS.

    Jesus is the "Amen" said to all the promises of Jehovah. -2Cor1:20 All Jehovah's prophecies are found in the Hebrew Scriptures, therefore Jesus is the "Amen" said to the Hebrew Scriptures. All the 'types' or 'shadows' of the things to come are found in the Hebrew Scriptures, likewise the reality is found in Christ. All the sacrifices, and all the provisions for salvation, and also for destruction were "Amen" through him. Yes, ALL PROPHECY THAT COMES FROM JEHOVAH BEARS WITNESS TO JESUS. -But where did he become the "Amen" to them?

    "Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy but to FULFILL; for truly I say to YOU that sooner would heaven and earth pass away than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means and all things take place"-Matt 5:17,18 Yes, Jesus came [in the flesh] to the earth to fulfill all the promises spoken by Jehovah (the 'Law and the Prophets' is what they called the 'hebrew scriptures'). He fulfilled them ALL. By word or by deed Jesus did indeed become the "Amen" to all the promises written in the Hebrew Scriptures. Where in the bible do we find the "Amen" to all these promises? In the Gospels. Yes, we are given four accounts of the 'ministry' of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. Therefore all the hebrew scriptures have a fulfillment in Christ. Either in WORD or DEED he became the fulfillment to all the promises of God. Even the future prophecies must bear witness to Jesus, as stated in Rev 19:10. Why? Because he became the "Amen" to ALL the promises of God.

    The apostle John bears witness to this in 1John chapter 4. There he says "Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because MANY FALSE PROPHETS have gone forth into the world." A big problem!!! Many false prophets are uttering forth inspired expressions. Wow! Which to believe? How will we know if it originated from God or not? Wait! John gives us the answer......"You gain the knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this: Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God." Yes, like said above, Jesus became the "Amen" to all the promises of God (the Hebrew Scriptures) when he came in the flesh, yes, during his ministry. So if we are to look in the Hebrew Scriptures and find a prophecy (given by god), we must also find the "Amen" said to it in Jesus Christ in order to have the right interpretation. For instance, if one brings an interpretation of a prophecy, he must furnish where God said it (in the Hebrew Scriptures) and then must also show the the "Amen" said to it through Jesus Christ. So he must show the fulfillment in Christ. Yes, he has to find a parellel in the scriptures (both hebrew and the gospels) to establish the interpretation as true. John goes on to say "but every inspired expression that does not confess Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist's [inspired expression] which you have heard was coming..." Yes, if it does not confess Jesus Christ (by the things he said or did) it does not originate with God. Therefore any of the prophesies given by the apostles in the Christian Greek Scriptures bore witness to Christ. Yes, carefully concealed in him is all the sacred secrets of Jehovah!
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    Hebrew Scriptures-->Jesus Christ<---Christian Greek Scriptures
    (Gospels)

    ****All prophecy from Jehovah bears witness to Jesus Christ*****
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    HOW FULFILLED?
    Some would say that "When his (Jehovah's) due time arrives to bring about the physical facts by which those devoted to him can see that these facts are in fulfillment of prophecy, then the prophecy can be understood." IS THIS SO? In order to find the answer to this, we must look in God's Word the bible to find the answer. It is impossible for God to lie, and also as brought out above, JEHOVAH HONORS HIS WORD. So lets take a look at a few scriptures to see if this is so:

    -Amos 3:7 "For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets."

    -Isaiah 42:9 "The first things- here they have come but new things I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause YOU people to hear [them]

    Does any of this bear witness to Jesus Christ? Lets see.

    -John 16:13 "However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the THINGS COMING.

    Yes, Jehovah always reveals his things to his servants BEFORE they happen. He cannot deny his own word. As a matter of fact, he even gave name of individuals, hundreds of years before they were even born to his prophets before those events occured (Isa chpt 44). As stated above, Jehovah is NOT a sloppy God. And he honors his Word. If infact a prophecy was interpreted after the fact, after the events had already occured, could it be that Jehovah is a liar? May that never happen! But let God be found true, though every man a liar.-Rom 3:4
    The simple biblical truth is .......It was not from Jehovah.

  • littleone
    littleone

    ****All will notice in my little diagram that '(gospels)' is under 'Hebrew scriptures'. This of course is a mistake, and (gospels) should be under 'Jesus Christ'. I appologize for this.........

  • crossroads
    crossroads

    Littleone-welcome-I love the name it's sort of a pet name
    I use for little girls or tiny women.
    Looks like you worked hard on this, it's late and
    I'm really not grasping your point. Just a thought
    what if Jehovah and Jesus are the same being.
    I am not talking about the trinity here just that
    Jesus name was Yahweh to Abraham-and
    the FATHER is a different being altogether.
    Well if you can't sleep this should keep you up,
    as for me got to go. Hope to see more of you
    around the board.
    Peace and Love
    Mark

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Littleone,

    Welcome to the board. If you want, you can do a mini-bio about who you are in the "Make New Friends" forum.

    One quick technical note, you ARE able to go back and edit a mistake in your post (such as where the word "Gospels" appears) by clicking on the "pencil" icon just above your post, and then over-typing the error you want to fix.

    As far as prophecies always being revealed BEFORE they happen, I'd like to point to a specific example and get your thought. That is, the 1914 prophecy of C.T. Russell and the early Bible Students. At first they thought 1914 would mean the end of earthly governments and their being raised to heaven, which of course didn't happen. In 1925, the "understanding" came out that what REALLY happened in 1914 was that the Kingdom Government was established invisibly, in heaven.

    So the prophecy didn't get fully understood (if indeed the 2nd guess was even correct) until over a decade later.

    So the "faithful slave" seems to acknowledge that prophecy is not fully complete until AFTER the event.

    Unless...this is where the question to you comes in, was this really a prophecy at all? Your 2 requirements in your post were (1) It's mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures and (2) it is somehow confirmed (made "Amen" or "yes") by Jesus at the time he walked the earth. So really does the 1914 "prophecy" fulfill those 2 requirements?

    And where does the WT Society stand in relation as a reliable indicator of Bible prophecy?

    Gopher

  • littleone
    littleone

    CrossRoads, I am unfamiliar with the passage you are referring to about Jesus being Yahweh to Abraham. Could you please quote the scripture you are referring to, and I will give a response after considering the scripture,

    Thanks, littleone

  • littleone
    littleone

    Gopher,

    Thank you for responding to my post. First of all, concerning CT Russell &c:

    As much as I can recall, they predicted that 1914 would be the fullfillment of Luke 21:24, namely that the "appointed times of the nations" would expire in 1914. I do not know much on this subject, (what Russell said, or didn't say) but I do know this. Jehovah's Witnesses would be the first ones to tell you that 'the sign of Christ's Presence' is a composite sign (one that has to include all the evidences shown). In some of their publications they liken it to a fingerprint, saying that all the evidences must be present at one time in order for us to ascertain that it is indeed 'the sign'. Later on, on or about 1994, they released a Watchtower article stating what the word 'then' (tote- Greek) meant, namely "after that". They thus admitted that Christ's 'sign' was in a series of events, like 'a-z'. Now consider this........

    Luke 21:20 says: "Furthermore, when YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. THEN (tote) let those in Judea..........". The Watchtower equate this scripture with Matt 24:15, and Mark 13:14 These two scriptures dealing with 'the Great Tribulation'. For after Jesus says"When you catch sight of the disgusting thing......" he says "Flee to the mountains".... Why? He goes on to say "for then (tote) there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world's beginning until now". My point....? Is that according to their own reasoning......Jehovah's Witnesses must agree that "the appointed times of the nations" is only during or after the great tribulation, which is said to be a future event. They can't have thier pie and eat it too.... Could this occur before the great tribulation? I invite all to read for themselves what Jesus said in Luke 21. So my answer is 'NO' this prophecy was not given by Jehovah (Yahweh), because it does not bear witness to what Jesus said. I hope I didn't confuse anyone, I'm not very good at explaining things......(sometimes I confuse myself)

    About a decade later (after 1914) JF Rutherford said that the Kingdom was established in 1914. He also shifted the date of Christ's presence from 1874 to 1914 sometime after that. Can you build on error and expect to come up with truth? NO!! Furthermore, does Jehovah tell things to his servants before or after they occur? (Amos 3:7) His word the bible says "BEFORE". Does Jehovah honor his word? Yep. So what is to be said? "Let God be found true, though every man be found a liar"-Romans 3:4 The truth is.....It was not from Jah...

    P.S. I am not, nor have I ever been a Jehovah's Witness. But I am a witness for Jehovah. And I pray I will remain faithful as such. I hope this clears up my positioning. With love,
    littleone

  • logical
    logical
    But I am a witness for Jehovah

    Shouldnt you be a witness to Jesus?

  • littleone
    littleone

    Logical,

    Yes Logical, I am a witness to Jesus. I did not say that to assume a title to distinguish myself as a "witness for Jehovah". But just as my Lord and Saviour bore witness to his father, I likewise will be a 'footstep follower' of his and bear witness to the Father. Thus you are right, we should all be witnesses to Jesus, because no-one comes to the father except through him. "For there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved"-Acts 4:12 thanks, littleone

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Littleone,

    Thanks for a very interesting reply.

    Jehovah's Witnesses must agree that "the appointed times of the nations" is only during or after the great tribulation, which is said to be a future event. They can't have their pie and eat it too....

    I love that! BTW, I was a JW up until a year ago, and so am recovering and haven't spent as much time in deep Bible study as before. But when I do study, I try to follow your method and go after what the BIBLE ITSELF says IN CONTEXT, rather than filtering it through an egocentric man-made organization.

    In line with your topic "True Prophecy", now I ask, to whom do you feel Jehovah (Yahweh) is revealing information ahead of time, today? Is it nobody? Or is it a single group, or is it faithful, scattered, studious Christians whereever they may be found?

    I myself don't believe he reveals truth through a single "organ", although I did until recently becoming disillusioned.

    Thanks,

    Gopher

  • Jimmer
    Jimmer

    One must be cautious when searching for God's "newly released information bearer." The teaching that God will only reveal himself to a select few or to a certain group rides real close to Gnosticism. That old "secret knowledge" teaching was prevelent in the early centuries. God reveals himself to those who seek him and believe; not to a self proclaimed prophet (person or organization).

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