If you remember wt fought for the right to speak to anyone about anything the supreme court of u.s. agreed so wt has to eat its own cooking whats good for goose good fir gandor. Those that are for shunning will be on the wrong side of history.Does religion have more power then the governent and its citezens?
How to sue the WT over shunning policy. It CAN happen!
by Bad_Wolf 224 Replies latest watchtower bible
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poopie
Warning belonging to a religion that shuns can be hazardous to your emotional and psychological health.
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poopie
Remember segregation for years was the law blacks and whites in the American south could not physically touch each other. So it's like what George Wallace said shunning today shunning tomorrow shunning forever.well we saw what happen to that.Now there are still places in us the are segregated by choice,but not enforced and not sanctioned by the state.
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JC323
Poopie: Please I am begging you to understand this. What you have constantly been talking about are amendments that prevent the government from infringing on a person's rights. This does not apply to private organizations.
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poopie
Read the entire 14th amendmand and the first ammendment .
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JC323
I have. I really don't think that you have. In each of them, the writers use the term congress or government. Is Watchtower either Congress or a government as recognized by the US.
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MeanMrMustard
If their rules has a serious negative effect outside of their group...
Why stop with shunning? Ask any atheist - religion as a whole has a “serious negative effect” on society. I am troubled that you can’t see the negative side effects, the unintended consequences, your proposals will have to a true free society.
The bottom line is this:
When people are threaten by organized shunning, can we say that they are free? We are supposed to be a free society, however, these abusive religions create a sub-society where these rights are abusively taken away from them. This is where society as a whole is seriously impacted.
Who is “threatening”? Can you define that term and it’s boundaries? Who gets to interpret that? You? Who gets to decide if a religion is “abusive”? You? The members of the religion, whatever it might be, surely disagree.
What “rights” are taken away from the shunned? The right to associate goes both ways, and it seems you wish to force one side to associate at the expense of the other. And you don’t see the long term harm in such a stand? You honestly don’t see how that power, when given to a government that you won’t control forever, can’t be used against you?
I think you are conflating freedom with emotional safety.
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JC323
I would also include Stephane we have agreed that the right that you agree with is that of the person who is still a member of JWs. You have never been DF'ed or DA'ed, so legally speaking you still fall under there authority. So I am going to look forward to reading your lawsuit that your solicitor draws up.
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StephaneLaliberte
The right to associate goes both ways, and it seems you wish to force one side to associate at the expense of the other.
I don't want to force people to associate. I want to stop religions who force people not to associate. Then, if the people decide to shun or not, that will be their personal religious decision. It not respecting people's right to choose that I have a problem with and that is what some religions are doing.
Why stop with shunning?
Why stop with Polygamy? Why allow abortion?
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MeanMrMustard
I don't want to force people to associate. I want to stop religions who force people not to associate.
What do you mean “forced”? Language matters here. They aren’t forced. They agree with the rules and therefore shun you. Or they could just talk to you anyway. They can do that. There is no gun to their head. But they agreed to the rules of the group, and to a large extent, agree with them still - enough to put them above a relationship with you.
Why stop with Polygamy? Why allow abortion?
What? I think you missed my point. BTW, I am against abortion based on private property rights, and think polygamy is perfectly fine, as long as it’s between consenting adults.