Yeah it doesn't bother me what Bush and his Nazis cohorts say, why weren't they the same ones that said there were supposed Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq?
Will
U.S. says Canada cares too much about liberties
by ashitaka 29 Replies latest jw friends
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William Penwell
The US is also upset with Canada's decision to decriminalize pot for personal use. Makes me wonder if these guys are living in the 21 century.
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JH
Being a Canadian, I find it funny when an American says "America", meaning the US only.
and they don't have to live by America's rules just because they are our neighbors.
I mean Canada is in North America, so Canada is America too, not just the US.
I hear this so often, I had to point this out...
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Simon
I think the USA is just annoyed because they spend all that money on police and arms and seem to have a society always on the brink and a world against them and there is little Canada ... easy going and everyone's friend.
I hope Canada doesn't pay any attention. Better yet, appoint that aide to act as spokesperson .
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RAYZORBLADE
Just because we do not jump at every wish and command of another (any) nation doesn't mean a whole lot to me.
Something about a nation's sovereignty. To remain intact, you do what suits your nation specifically. This doesn't necessarily meaning one should ignores their neighbour, but it doesn't necessarily mean we have to jump at their every wish & command. Ambassadors are appointed representatives; they should not be telling other nations how to run their affairs.
In the bigger picture, for 100s of years, our nations: Canada & the United States have coexisted on this continent in relative peace and harmony. Two seperate countries with two seperate constitutions, two different mindsets, thus very different countries.
I could think of plenty of countries the United States could border that would clearly be way more scarier to live next to than us.
Neighbours have their good times/bad times. Neighbours do what they can. Good neighbours don't impose their views upon the other. They can have open and frank discussions, but one would hope they would respect each others differences, and be glad they are peaceful, and help each other in need.
What may be perceived as a problem to one nation doesn't constitute a problem to another.
When it comes to what we can do for our neighbour: we'll do whatever we can within our means. There have been many times when Canada has gone above and beyond the call of duty for our neighbour or other nation. We don't necessarily get any press or recognition because it is not popular. Besides, it's not always about publicity. But it's not often I notice it goes unreported or disregarded all together. Then we are perceived as being inactive. That annoys the hell out of me.
Most nations do what they can within their means, and if they see fit to adopt any international resolution, they will, as long as it doesn't compromise their sovereignty or national security.
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hillary_step
I can understand the US frustration with Canada and its views of terrorists. Many terrorists groups view Canada as a national safe home and it is a fact that many potential terrorist assaults on the US were planned in Canada under the nose of the Canadian Intelligence Agencies. Terrorists have been granted immediate refugee status in Canada due to its open-gate immigration laws and one particular person was picked up while a refugee three times for burglary within a period of eighteen months and was allowed to roam freely while the taxpayer paid for his rent, food, medical expenses and even his telephone. He later admiited complicity in an attempted plot to bomb LA Airport.
Unfortunately this is not a unique experience and I well understand US irritation with the gross irresponsibility in dealing with this type of person that the CAD government have shown. When the hard-working citizens of a country are exposed to danger by the over-protection of the liberties of the wrong people, I too believe it is time for a closer look at the issue.
HS
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RAYZORBLADE
Hillary - it isn't unique to just Canada, as I know you are aware of.
Unfortunately, terrorists work in EVERY country, even within the US (9/11). Which was horrible.
They are very stealthful in their activities, and the activities of an intelligence agency doesn't privy information to the general public in order to nab these lunatics.
Just because it is perceived nothing is done, does not mean that NOTHING is being done. Secret activity? I would think so. CSIS (national intelligence agency) - does what it does, and I have no inside information I'm afraid.
More than likely what is sensationalized and disseminated through the media more often than not gets the focus and attention of the general population.
The efforts to eliminate terrorism is a global effort.
Religious fanaticism: spawns some ungodly acts.
There was a recent story here in Canada about a person deported, with links to terrorism. But that won't get attention in American media. If it did, I'll be surprised.
Does anyone look at their neighbour in the bigger picture? (any country) or do we focus on only the bad, or a specific incident?
Just curious.
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hillary_step
Does anyone look at their neighbour in the bigger picture? (any country) or do we focus on only the bad, or a specific incident?
Razorblade,
Yes, I can honestly say that I do. Some countries are more vigorous in policing their borders than others. Canada happens to have a very poor record in this regard. Many of the worlds international terrorist organizations, most of whom have some sort of political wing, have chosen Canada as the place to set up home. Why would they do so?
Personally I am only interested in the facts of the matter and could not care less which country is involved. It is necessary to recognize that even the Canadian government has in recent times recognized its need to police these groups more vigorously, which in itself is a type of self-criticism.
HS
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RAYZORBLADE
Yes, Hillary. Thanks.
You know, and I'm sure you remember this term, which may be quite dated nowadays:
"The Longest Undefended Border In The World" - and that used to mean something.....too bad it has changed. I remember a book that was printed back in 1976: (Between Friends/Entre Nous). It was a huge picture book of various border points across Canada/United States of America. Showed just that - as a gift to the American people in celebration of their Bi-Centennial and our histories of peaceful co-existance.
I was so proud of that: the two nations not needing to erect fences or walls.
My how times have changed, and well...hopefully things will change for the protection of both nations, but it's sad how things have changed.
Fences are coming up, walls that were once pulled down are figuratively being erected.
What a different world we live in. I hope we can still see the forest for the trees.
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hillary_step
Rayzor,
What a different world we live in. I hope we can still see the forest for the trees
So true. I am glad that I am old enough to have memories of gentler times. I feel sorry for the generation who trail behind us trying to piece together the world that we dismantled. Glorioski, I am about to break into a door-to-door sermon....lol
HS