With a whimper, not a bang

by JeffT 27 Replies latest jw friends

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    The thread about old timers got me thinking about trends I see with the Watchtower. I've changed my opinion about where the organization stands. When I joined the religion in 1973 it was dynamic, even the small congregation I attended sent out three or four Pioneers. The literature sounded deep, or it at least offered a lot to think about. When my wife and I left in 1988 it was already getting stale. My research started after sitting through a circuit assembly part about the dangers of higher education because the end of the world was so soon. I remember thinking "doesn't that mean it has to actually end at some point."

    From everything I've seen there is nothing new going on, all the literature, talks etc just beat the same dead horses. I don't believe scandals, financial issues, or lawsuits will bring them down. Unless it completely rebuilds itself the Watchtower will die of boredom.

  • Rocketman123
    Rocketman123

    When an organization's foundation is built upon pretentious lies, fear, ignorance and corruption and it has structured itself upon that manner, its inevitable that an organization such as this will eventually slowly collapse and disappear.

    I think we are " Witnessing " this right now.

  • Bill Covert
    Bill Covert

    The difference was the "oracle", Fred Franz.

    In 1973 was a period of greatest energy. The Viet Nam war the greatest pioneering motivator there ever was. In 1973 everyone was sitting on the edge of their seats awaiting the latest info as to 1975 through the official pipeline where Franz &Co. orally transmitted to D.O.'s and C.O.'s at NY and it was disseminated as inspired from God to the rank and file. Hence not much in writing about 1975.

    Fred Franz was the man! There has not been anyone with a fertile mind to replace him.

    It was 1984 when the Wt. made the statement that we would be preaching to the sons and daughters of those "sighing and groaning" of Ezk. ch9 when I knew Matt.24:34 was headed down the tube. That was also the beginning of the "obedience to the organization mantra". It wasn't until the church had to forgive the K.H. loans that I truly realized the organization came full circle and became what Rutherford said it was "a snare and a racket". The snare being the 'judicial system' having to be strengthened in order to met the emerging threat of the "apostate"! To where I need not comment where that has gone as to having complete control over life. The "racket" was the cash flow source being derived from construction loan interest, replacing income from literature sales.

    So from 1984 on there was no "new light", the only thing new was "two day K.H.'s" and "obedience to the organization mantra".

    Personally I think we will see great change when the court house doors are opened and "Anderson & Zalkin Co." rock the very foundations of mental bondage.

    Change topic. Today I had something interesting happen as my truck mechanic service truck was parked at NAPA. A old man rolled down his window and asked about my name painted on the door. Said he knew a Tom Covert my dead brother, he gave me his name and I remembered him from circuit assembles in the early 1960's here in Northern Calif., he being from Eureka. The predictable small talk. I did give him my card with the Sept. 1 1987 Wt. article "A Time to Speak When?". He said he would read the article but was antsy about Googling my name that would of taken him to this web site. It would be interesting if his curiosity gets the best of him as it was a friend of his that moved to Redding who was the elder I gave a heart attack to over the article "A Time to Speak When?" that I wrote about in my introductory post.

  • Rocketman123
    Rocketman123

    The difference was the "oracle", Fred Franz.

    Yup could very well be, he was also the most aggressive corrupt liar the organization ever had past Rutherford .

  • Overrated
    Overrated

    With Watchtower 's rebranding efforts we will see alot of people awaking from this sleep that Watchtower created. Sure, more crazy videos and musical numbers all from Jw dot org. Soon and even now people see how ridiculous it is. Watchtower is in for a slow bleeding death.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    " Unless it completely rebuilds itself the Watchtower will die of boredom." I think this is so very true.

    Also relevance to people's lives is an issue, once a JW starts to ease off from the Mouse in a Wheel life that the Org demands of its adherents, she or he realises that the Org has little relevance to their day to day life, couple that with the incredible boredom of the Meetings, what is needed at that point is some sort of trigger, and they will be off.

    Another thing that is even more of a problem for those who want to keep the org going is that the young ones have in the main seen through it, and the older ones are dying off, and yet the Org now has no real way to attract new recruits.

  • zachias
    zachias

    Was he the wt personality described by Time Magazine as a complete crackpot. Sorry I dont have any links.

  • smiddy3
    smiddy3

    The big problem with the JW`s religion is their pushing the GT ,and the big A ,as being imminent ,soon ,any day now ,and the last of the last ,last days.

    When none of this ever happens and doesn`t even look like happening even the most die-hard JW`s are going to call it BS.

    They cant keep stringing this line on forever.

    I`m surprised they haven`t come up with the last hours / minutes of the last day before this, just to string it along a bit further .

    And if they do; they got it from here.

  • smiddy3
    smiddy3

    "The world" [of WT] "Wont end with a bang but a whimper" ,Quote from "On The Beach" by neville Schute , and made into a movie set in Melbourne . Australia.

    AND THE REASONS BEING SEE ABOVE.

  • hoser
    hoser

    The old timers believed in it and had a fire in their belly. Now people are going through the motions to stay connected socially.

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