Today the United States issued a “firm response” affirming its commitment to the sovereignty of Ukraine. It would be nice if the United States had historically similarly affirmed sovereignty in Latin America: Venezuela, Chile, and Cuba, to name a few, that have experienced a different side to the United States’ foreign policy.
Ukraine - Nato - US crisis
by mikeflood 65 Replies latest social current
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LoveUniHateExams
It would be nice if the United States had historically similarly affirmed sovereignty in Latin America: Venezuela, Chile, and Cuba - it would be nice, but the urgent issue here is that Russia has amassed 120,000 soldiers and plenty of military hardware on Ukraine's border.
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Anony Mous
The history of American involvement in Latin America and Middle East and Asia is a story of making the best choice out of 2 bad options. You either get a corrupt autocrat or a murderous communist/jihadist in power. Either way you’re going to get criticism.
It is also an example of what happens when the US doesn’t get involved or listen to its left-wing base for foreign policy, that’s how you end up with communist Cuba, Venezuela, China etc, always the same story whether it was JFK or LBJ or Jimmy Carter or Bush Jr. or Obama, when you ignore (or try to appease) people with communist or theocratic origins or tendencies because you don’t like conflict (like Putin today) you get bad results.
Ukraine has been relatively stable and democratic after the Soviets fell. And I wouldn’t trust Putin to just be nice and take his troops away. After Afghanistan China, Russia and Iran smelled blood in the water. They’re not going to be nice and wait another 3 years for another President. I can see them invading Israel, Taiwan and Ukraine as soon as they get an opportunity and America’s commander in chief will sit there and put sanctions on an ever shrinking free world.
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road to nowhere
The commander is putting even worse sanctions on the last vestiges of free world in the USA.
"They" say it will not come to war. Dont bet on it. Put 120000 ruthless troops up against 8500 trans genders, queers, horny men and women in the same unit, then make rules of engagement. what could go wrong?
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FedUpJW
America’s commander in chief will sit there and put sanctions on an ever shrinking free world.
Well SOMEONE may put sanctions on an ever shrinking free world, but it won't be Brandon. The best he can do between naps is mumble what is put on a teleprompter (and not very well) and wait for someone to change his Depends while he sits gazing at his navel. Meanwhile the politicians who idiotically agitate for nuclear war edge the world ever closer to Armageddon, and not the one the JW's pray for.
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slimboyfat
Also it’s cute watching the US talk as if they are still boss of the world. What is China’s policy toward Russia and Ukraine? That’s probably a more relevant question in the current situation, yet we don’t hear much about that in western media.
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slimboyfat
Looks like China supports Russian view of situation, but has asked Russia to delay invasion of Ukraine until after the Winter Olympics being held in China. So there we have it.
Also note that the US have threatened to close a gas pipeline between Russia and Germany. Only problem is it doesn’t belong to the US and Germany hasn’t backed up US threat.
Former big time gangsta US has been sent to the retirement home and doesn’t even realise.
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Anony Mous
@slimboyfat: the pipeline was previously shut down by a fella named Trump. It’s being built by Americans since they are the only ones that have the technology to properly build in that particular location (deep sea in a geologically active area). When the Americans stopped building, Russians tried to finish it and caused a small ecological disaster (toxic grease on Baltic beaches) because their equipment is just not capable of doing it properly causing everyone in the area to tell them to stop. Not only that but the Russian produced basically a pile of junk and bolted it together, but it would have been dangerous to pump at capacity without the thing blowing up based on their shoddy work, some people were giving them 1-3 years before it would fail.
Russia and Iran talks big game, but their primary tanks (T72) are still an average 50 years old (Israel famously killed 30 Iranian tanks with just 1 of theirs in the 90s, similar the US in the Gulf War made scrap metal out of them), infrastructure building like pipeline boats is also from the last century, Iran’s navy is basically a bunch of speed boats and Russian navy has submarines that are so old, they occasionally end up on the bottom of the ocean without even being in combat. They do have numbers and willpower though so an urban combat landwar would be problematic.
The biggest question for Ukraine is whether the US would get involved, it seems like Biden doesn’t want to (I’m assuming after the Hillary hacking affair, Putin may have a bit of dirt up his sleeve) so Ukraine would have to fend for itself. If the US does get involved, not even a modernized China would want to cross that line, let alone Russia.
Germany doesn’t want to get involved because they’re dependent on Russian coal, gas and oil. Take that away and Germany basically has to shut down half the country because their wind and solar plants don’t work at night or when it’s not windy or too windy or when it’s cloudy (which is like 200 days of the year over there) and they shut down all their nuke plants as well.
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LoveUniHateExams
Former big time gangsta US has been sent to the retirement home and doesn’t even realise - the USA deserves criticism when it makes mistakes.
But do you really think China will be better as the world's policeman?
If you're in China and you're found guilty of drug smuggling, you're shot through the back of the head.
China has also stolen an entire country - Tibet - from the Tibetans.
It also cracks down on Honk Kong protestors with a fair degree of ruthlessness.
And then there's its disgusting mistreatment of Uyghur people in Xinjiang, formerly East Turkestan.
Be careful what you wish for ...
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slimboyfat
I didn’t say anything about China being better. You’re reading that into what I wrote.
I’m talking about the world as it is, not as it should be. My point is that our media still behaves as if United States can impose its will. World power is rapidly shifting. Look at GDP figures in 2000 compared with 2022. It’s dramatic. Germany and others value ties to Russia and China increasingly over the United States.