In historic JW perspective I find it a bit ironic because Fred Franz left his academic studies, not to help with a family crisis, but to devote himself to Watchtower full time. Having done so, when his father died some years later Franz didn’t even want to leave his work at Watchtower headquarters to attend the funeral. He only went reluctantly, so the story goes, when ordered to do so by Rutherford. So in Franz’s case it was his devotion to Watchtower service that held him back from attending to his family, not university education.
You Could Be Stuck in a University When Your Parent Dies. Convention Day 2 Video
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Gorb
Our children study medicine and law.
They could be stuck in the sect jw.orgBut we were lucky to escape in 2008.
Gorby
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LV101
Stuck in a university - one should be so lucky and great odds of learning compared to being stuck in WT land. Education costs money and WT wants it. I would not be able to contain myself at one of those conventions.
WT needs to build up their slave class. Too many youth pushing the right foot down (gas pedal) exiting the first moment possible.
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LongHairGal
LV101:
Like you, I couldn’t stand to be at a JW convention nowadays. You couldn’t pay me. Even when I was ‘in’ years ago these conventions or assemblies were an endurance test.
I remember the wasted weekends of getting nothing done and going back to work on Monday exhausted instead of being refreshed.
Lately, the utter nonsense spouted by the JW religion is something I couldn’t sit through. I used to cringe years ago at those testimonials on the stage of young foolish JWs who gave up scholarships to pioneer 🙄. (I was not swayed but kept on working.) Now the religion is reaching a new low trying everything in their arsenal to dissuade anybody from going to college.
Those Witnesses of decades ago who gave up scholarships to pioneer and who never got decent jobs are broke today and in a bad predicament in their senior years. Now, sadly, there is a new group set to make the same mistake!
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liam
LongHairGal
I remember the wasted weekends of getting nothing done and going back to work on Monday exhausted instead of being refreshed.
Two things I hated most when being raised a jw, ......Conventions/Assemblies, and door to doorI'm still having nightmares about having to go to a Convention and door to door.
I hated it-hated it-hated it, I hated it-hated it-hated it, I hated it-hated it-hated it, I hated it-hated it,
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HereIam60
slimboyfat,
"...a pivot that downgrades end-time expectations..."
That's a dilemma they have created themselves. It was much easier to accept some things Watchtower taught and said when it was believed that the end would be quickly upon us, or as was often said "imminent".
In recent years a very mixed message is presented. We're urged to maintain the sense of Urgency to act before it is " too late", yet as time continues to pass, and leadership makes long -range building and expansion plans, the mind-set being promoted is "Be prepared....but if the end has not come yet...or when we expected...it does not matter...we must go on as we have been doing.."
They've revived the old saying "We must not serve with a date in mind...". Recent video dramatizations have depicted witnesses who were 'stumbled' because their expectations were not fufilled (veiled reference to 1975 era), and their questions are seen as being discouraging, a bad example, and " spiritually weak".
A study article " Enjoy a Hope Without Disappointment" in the December 2023 Watchtower featured a picture of F. W. Franz.. (first reference to him in numerous years)..and the text attributed a 1991 quote to him "...[We] have not lost our sense of the value of that hope...We are appreciating it all the more the longer we have to wait for it. It is something worth waiting for, even if it required a million years..."
Possibly one, of many, reasons for Anthony Morris III's departure, could have been the talk he gave referencing past expectations. He related how during the 1970s, he said possibly '75, after a gathering at which some older ones told his sons they probably would not finish school before the end of this system of things, on the way home his boys questioned him about it. He said (I'm paraphrasing to the best of my recall..) " Boys, you've got to keep on the watch... This thing could go on until 2020!" ...then to his audience "Honest!". He then went on to chastise.." Some of you older ones who said such things....You didn't do anyone any favors! But Jehovah still loves you...!" Certainly this was frank and open, but that a Governing Body member would admit he had doubts about the prevailing opinions of the time must have disturbed some of the others...
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Nathan Natas
Hoser confessed, "Neither my wife nor I were born with the intelligence or family background to become medical doctors."
My comment wasn't about you personally. I intended to point out that a casual, unstructured (it seems I left some words out here; I meant to say "curiculum") like that will not produce a medical doctor