"You Should Not Even Eat With Any Such Person".

by Englishman 40 Replies latest jw friends

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Example 1. Ray Franz was disfellowshipped for being seen eating a meal whilst sat at a table with a disfellowshipped person.

    Example 2. I was recently told by my customer's JW secretary that she was sorry but she could not make me a cup of tea because it was against her witness principles to drink / eat with a DF'd person.

    Yet, I think I understand now what the scripture at 1 Corinthians 5. 11 - 12 really was getting at. A couple of nights ago, we had some friends around for a meal. We enjoyed a Moroccan Tagine and a good time was had by all. To enjoy the tagine at it's best, we cooked it in the proper dish complete with funnel lid. We then placed it in the middle of the dining table, folded up our pitta bread and dunked it in the middle of the communal repast, stickying our fingers in the process. No knives and forks when you eat Moroccan style! No real need for plates either.

    My pal Pete and I began to remark how you wouldn't want to partake of a finger dish with someone you disliked or distrusted, it being such an intimate activity. At this point, I suddenly saw just what Paul was getting at when he said that we shouldn't eat with "such a person". Putting your fingers alongside someone elses in a communal feeding bowl would have been common practise in Pauls time and would have also expressed trust in one's fellow feeders. Obvious good common sense not to eat out of the same bowl as an outsider.

    Leaving aside the fact that, back then, shunning was for the likes of someone who wouldn't stop bonking his Dad's missus, the fact remains that even if someone is that bad, the WT has over-reached itself in insisting that one can not eat alongside such a person. It's communal feeding out of the same bowl that indicates tacit approval for a wrongdoer, not eating a separate meal.

    Englishman.

  • Celia
    Celia
    I was recently told by my customer's JW secretary that she was sorry but she could not make me a cup of tea because it was against her witness principles to drink / eat with a DF'd person.

    .... did she really say that ? Is her boss / your customer, a JW too ? Curious about your answer to her ....

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Nope!

    He's not a witness, he's quite normal. He told me his secretary was nuts though. She had recently berated him because he said how much he admired Thespians!

    Englishman.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost
    I was recently told by my customer's JW secretary that she was sorry but she could not make me a cup of tea because it was against her witness principles to drink / eat with a DF'd person.

    She doesn't have a choice; she is an employee and is bound to follow her employer's wishes. If she refuses, she can legitimately be dismissed.

    This area of Dub behaviour is 'beyond the pale' and reminds me of the instructions in The Watchtower magazine for dubs who work in doctor's surgeries as receptionists to divulge patient details to the elders. No matter that it's illegal, they still brazenly flout their illegal behaviour.

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • cruzanheart
    cruzanheart

    People like that usually make lousy tea, E-man, so you're probably better off.

    Nina (of the Typhoo class)

  • Reborn2002
    Reborn2002

    I am with ozziepost. She should be dismissed for insubordination and poor service treatment of a customer. Religion is placed on the back burner when at the workplace and contending in a matter of business involving employee/employer or store/consumer. She is entitled to her personal beliefs but if they interfere with her ability to perform her job, that is a different matter. If I had been you Englishman I would have raised a stink about it with her boss and gotten her criticized or reprimanded publicly for such rude behavior.

  • metatron
    metatron

    More Watchtower Lies!

    Ray Franz ate with a person who disassociated himself - and the Society jumped on this to get rid of him.

    The Bible says not to eat with a person who is guilty of serious sins that is "anyone called a brother"

    Logically, if a person doesn't want to be a Witness, they should not be viewed any differently from an ordinary

    'worldly' person ..... but of course, the greedy-for-control-of-your-life Theocrats can't have that so they ignore the plain

    meaning of the scriptures to create hardship for people.

    metatron

  • Reborn2002
    Reborn2002

    Exactly metatron. The Watchtower Society will create any rule it pleases and twist Scripture to make it seem righteous to their members so long as it suits the organization's current wishes. Then when it is no longer of use to them they can revoke the "biblical insight" under the premise of New Light, and the JW members will readily accept anything they are told as guidance directly from God. How pathetic.

    Not to eat with any such person? The same Watchtower Society criticizes spending any time with "worldly" individuals, so I suppose JW children or adult employees at their place of business should not eat in the school cafeteria, after all, they have to get in line and get food with dozens, maybe hundreds, of "worldly" people and sit at a table and "eat with them"

    JW hogwash. I hate that cult.

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    A few years back when I was an elder, my wife, being the good jw elder's wife that she was, asked me how she should treat a disassociated person that she worked with.

    I mentioned that since they were fellow employees, interaction was necessary. I also mentioned that shunning someone in the workplace was not a good idea, since other employees would not understand the reason for it.

    Of course, that was when I was an elder, but even then, I could see no reason to shun someone at work.

  • Oroborus21
    Oroborus21

    Hi, are you outside the US? If you are in the U.S. someone above mentioned that she could be fired for refusing to serve tea to visitors. I just wanted to comment that that may be untrue.

    It really depends on what her job description is and secondly even if not defined in her job description whether such service is an expected function (within the penumbra) of her duties, otherwise firing her could be cause for a wrongful termination suit among other grounds including a violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act if the employer is a qualifying employer.

    setting that aside...

    Jehovah's Witnesses are supposed to conduct BUSINESS with anyone, whether DF'd or not, if serving tea is part of this sister's job function she should serve you.

    It is actually a very ridiculous notion that her serving you tea at work, is something social to the extent that she would be considered "eating and drinking" with you. I think that most if not all JWs (elders) would not think anything of this sister if she were to do that. And the vast majority of JWs would not refuse to serve someone in a business setting. So this appears to be a particular disfunction of this individual.

    Finally, you may not want to have her fix your tea anyway--that is unless you enjoy shall say the special flavouring she might decide to add to your tea!

    --Eduardo

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