In the chronology of Revelation, doesn't Babylon the Great have to fall before all the other things take place?
Sooooo, New Light says BtG has not yet fallen. So what's the freaking hurry? Lots of stuff to take place before worrying about the GT.
BABYLON THE GREAT IS NOT FALLING ANYMORE? (NEW LIGHT FROM THE ANNUAL MEETING)
by raymond frantz 22 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Ultimate Axiom
It seems to me that there is a little confusion between the FALL of Babylon the Great and its destruction. As far as I know the WTS still teaches that Babylon the Great fell in1919 and there has been no new light on that. If there has please cite it as I am keen to know. Babylon the Great's destruction at Armageddon is another matter and while I can see a shift in their emphasis Babylon the Great is still going to be destroyed during the Great Tribulation that sets off Armageddon along with the UN and everything else. So apart from his "one thought" bit where is the new light in all this?
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liam
LongHairGal
I don’t feel one ounce of pity for the ‘hard core Boomers’ that you describe. These are the people who knocked me years ... I still think this religion is eventually going online.
LHG; The real hard-core dubs are the ones Before the Boomers. These are the ones called the silent generation, (ages 1928-45) The ones I’ve met are real deranged. I met one at a get together with my jw family and I sat next to him. We were outside so I didn’t think it was a big deal. He told me he was 94 years old.
I tell you not, as soon as I sat down, he started telling me how corrupt the world was and if I knew Jehovah was using an organization to save mankind. Then he started telling me that Jesus said that there would be wars, earthquakes, and all that stuff, and doing so while he was eating chicken and pieces were falling out of his mouth. I excused myself and walked away, but I lost my appetite after that. He was probably one of those that used to get on your case.
There was an older man there probably in his 70s maybe 80s who was telling stories to a group. He was saying; “When I was in the District Work” ……….blah, blah, balh. So I’m assuming he was one of those District Overseers who was kicked out when they removed all District Overseers. I believe he’s last name was Simon. One of my Uncles said he was of the anointed.
Anyway, one of my friends who is not a Jehovah Witness, asked him the question; “Are you guys every going online?” And he said that if that was to happened, it would be almost impossible to get anyone to volunteer because encouragement to go volunteer in building projects starts at the home Kingdom Hall with everyone encouraging the young ones to volunteer.
And that’s actually a fair point. If there is no more Kingdom Hall meetings, it will be impossible to convince young ones born in to go work for FREE,......... FOR A FEW YEARS, .............to an online religion.
It just won’t work.
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LongHairGal
LIAM:
Yes, I realize the real hard core Witnesses are the ones before the Boomers.
Back in the day when I was in, those you describe did influence things in congregations and could have been behind me being given a hard time because I worked.. But, funny thing, all the older people there were collecting their pensions because they had been in the workforce when young. What hypocrisy.
Again, I’m Glad today I never listened. Anybody who thought they would ‘shame’ me back then it didn’t work. It was worth every penny to be shunned.
I can see how you thought some were deranged. They were cantankerous and thought they could say anything to anybody. What I could not tolerate was the ‘holy mystique’ that some had about themselves. I never believed anybody’s divine claims and it made me ill when people fawned over them.
Anyway, some Boomers were only too glad to try to imitate them… And, fast forward - now we see what it has come to today almost 2025.👎
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3rdgen
When i read The op I had some thoughts. According to Watchtower, at least until I left:
#1 Babylon the Great is "The WORLD Empire of False Religion". Of course this would include Judaism, Hinduism and the rest of the Asian religions, Islam, And EVERY religion in the entire world, Christian or otherwise. EVERY religious belief OTHER than WATCHTOWER.
# 2 Babylon the Great FELL in 1919. The belief was regardless of weather or not the numbers grew or diminished, It fell because the BELIEFS held by the various religions NO LONGER HAD ANY HOLD on JEHOVAH'S PEOPLE. In that sense alone they ALL fell.
The "RIVERS DRYING UP", was the sign that B.theG. would soon be DESTROYED .
Falling was the past, DESTROYED was in the FUTURE.
WT loved to say that religions are drying up because people aren't as zealous as they were in the past. Remember, this is primarily a US religion. They disregarded their OWN interpretation of B. the G. by ignoring the zeal of Islamists and other non-Christian religions. They simply wanted to point only to things that could indicate that the GT and the Destruction would be SOON.
Of course, this whole post is how WT uses Semantics. WT splits hairs in order to wiggle out of their many false predictions and interpretations. ONLY when the passage of time reveals their beliefs to be false, do they get "New Light".
Apparently, fewer JWs, especially the under 50s, pay attention to details given by WT. After all, most who did...already left.
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Balaamsass2
:) Still waiting for just ONE Watchtower prophecy to come true. And waiting. And waiting.
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Beth Sarim
Balaamsass & dont buy any green bananas either.
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Duran
In the chronology of Revelation, doesn't Babylon the Great have to fall before all the other things take place?
Sooooo, New Light says BtG has not yet fallen. So what's the freaking hurry? Lots of stuff to take place before worrying about the GT.The '4 horsemen' (WW3) have to come first.
Then as a result of that, the 10 kings give their power to the beast. That time period is the GT. It is during that time that the 10 kings and the beast turn on BTG.
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NotFormer
"Countries like the UK and Australia, where Jehovah’s Witnesses are registered as charities, aren’t too thrilled when they hear that one of their beneficiaries is rooting for the downfall of other religions."
Australia actually banned the JWs in WW2, basically because they were constantly running down the government and attacking the churches, particularly a certain Catholic cardinal by name. Officially it was because they were using their radio stations to possibly supply news that could be helpful to the enemy. It was eventually overturned, interestingly not on the grounds of religious freedom, but because of the overzealous application of whatever act they used to implement the ban in the first place.
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