Dinosaur Soft Tissue

by Sea Breeze 35 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Sea Breeze

  @Touch of Grey
  
  Mary Schwitzer was not the first to discover dinosaur soft tissues. No one manipulated her research. We all have the same data.

  Here's some soft tissue recently discovered in a "195 Million Year Old" (MYO) dinosaur.

  Man's genetic diversity rose in only 200 generations:

  "Around 7,000 years ago - all the way back in the Neolithic - something really peculiar happened to human genetic diversity. Over the next 2,000 years, and seen across Africa, Europe and Asia, the genetic diversity of the Y chromosome collapsed, becoming as though there was only one man..." - Science Alert
  
  

  Journal Nature, the January 10, 2013 article on ... The Recent Origin of Most Human Protein-coding Variants, presents, as summarized by geneticist co-author Joshua Akey, "Most of the mutations that we found arose in the last 200 generations or so. There hasn’t been much time for random change or deterministic change through natural selection.” In a related study, a 2012 paper in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology (Eugenie Scott's own field) on High mitochondrial mutation rates shows that one mitochondrial DNA mutation occurs every other generation, which, as creationists point out, indicates that mtEve would have lived about 200 generations ago!
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  Touchofgrey

  Sea breeze

  Can you please provide who was the first person to discover dinosaur soft tissue cells and any further information eg scientific research papers.
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  Sea Breeze

  Peer Reviewed Papers on Soft Tissues From Dinosaurs & Other Animals (Some up to allegedly 530 MYO)

  Since the mid-20th Century, there have been over 30 reports and peer reviewed papers on Dinosaur Soft Tissue (DST) and other "ancient" organic material from animals and organisms prior to Sweitzer's Dangerous Discovery.

  
  
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  Anony Mous

  How does any of this prove the earth is 6000 years old? Bible does not mention dinosaurs.
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  Sea Breeze

  Anony Mous:

  How does any of this prove the earth is 6000 years old?

  That is a larger question. But much evidence supports a young earth. Man and dinosaur living on earth at the same times is a problem for secularists, not biblical literalists.

  Bible does not mention dinosaurs.

  From Got Questions:

  
  The bible uses the Hebrew word tanniyn, which is translated a few different ways in our English Bibles. Sometimes it’s “sea monster,” and sometimes it’s “serpent.” It is most commonly translated “dragon” in the KJV. The tanniyn appears to have been some sort of giant reptile.

  These creatures are mentioned nearly thirty times in the Old Testament (e.g., Psalm 74:13; Isaiah 27:1; Jeremiah 51:34) and were found both on land and in the water. Another Hebrew word, livyathan, transliterated leviathan, is used six times in Scripture (e.g., Job 41:1; Psalm 104:26) and refers to some type of large, fierce sea creature.

  The description of leviathan in Job 41 gives the impression of a strong yet graceful, unstoppable creature against which weapons are unavailing: “Nothing on earth is its equal” (Job 41:33).

  And, Behemoth has a tail as big as a a cedar tree:

  “Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you;

  He eats grass like an ox.

  16 See now, his strength is in his hips,

  And his power is in his stomach muscles.

  17 He moves his tail like a cedar;

  The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.

  18 His bones are like beams of bronze,

  His ribs like bars of iron.

  19 He is the first of the ways of God;

  Only He who made him can bring near His sword.

  20 Surely the mountains yield food for him,

  And all the beasts of the field play there.

  21 He lies under the lotus trees,

  In a covert of reeds and marsh. - Job 40

  Nearly every ancient civilization has left some sort of art depicting giant reptilian creatures. Petroglyphs and clay figurines found in North America resemble modern depictions of dinosaurs. Rock carvings in South America depict images of creatures resembling Triceratops, Diplodocus, and Tyrannosaurus Rex. Roman mosaics, Mayan pottery, and Babylonian city walls all testify to man’s trans-cultural, geographically unbounded memories of these creatures.

  GiddyUp!
  
  
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  SydBarrett

  "But much evidence supports a young earth."

  
  

  
  

  
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  Anony Mous

  Man and dinosaur living on earth at the same times is a problem for secularists, not biblical literalists

  
  Yes it is a problem for literalists, as there is no extant evidence that dinosaurs survived into the Roman or Greek times, when history was pretty well described. A few fantastical beasts that can be interpreted many ways (religiously and sociologically) are not evidence. Most dinosaurs weren’t reptiles, they are closer to poultry.
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  Sea Breeze

  there is no extant evidence that dinosaurs survived into the Roman or Greek times,

  when history was pretty well described.

  @Anony Mous
  
  The artifact below is a Mesopotamian jasper cylinder seal from the Uruk Period (about 3500 BC). This object is currently housed at the Louvre. The animal is an artist’s conception of an Apatosaurus.

  
  There are many striking similarities between these two depictions. The long neck, tail, legs and feet on the artifact clearly fit the sauropods better than any other type of animal.

  

  The Palestrina Mosaic is another example. The mosaic was part of a Classical sanctuary-grotto in Palestrina, a town east of Ancient Rome, in central Italy.

  
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  Anony Mous

  It is well known that people have been finding fossils. But 12th century is well into “modern” history. Where did they go? They evolved very quickly and died out just in time for nobody to notice then fossilized in less than a few hundred years?
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  Sea Breeze

  You believe that hundreds of dinosaur depictions from geographically diverse areas over thousands of years were the result of dinosaur bone excavations? Where is the evidence for this? Or, is this another "just so" propaganda story? How did the ancient artists know how to correctly draw dermal patters and cartridge frills that have only been recently been authenticated?
  
  

  For example, Luis Chiappe and colleagues discussed certain sauropod dinosaur embryos found in South America: “The general skin pattern consists of round, non-overlapping, tubercle-like scales…A rosette pattern of scales is present in PVPH-130″ (Chiappe, et al., 1998, p. 259). Note the skin depictions above to the right. “Both taxa show a round pattern of small polygonal scales, which in some places is interrupted by larger oval tubercles surrounded by the small scales, resulting in rosette-like structures. …which also match the most common textures known in dinosaurs.” (Christiansen, and Tschopp, “Exceptional Stegosaur Integument Impressions from the Upper Jurassic Morrison Formation of Wyoming,” Swiss Journal of Geosciences 103:2, 2010.)

  

  Authenticated Ica Stone (with lines highlighted)

  Other items of anatomical accuracy that attest to the authenticity of these Ica Stone depictions include the positioning of the tail and legs. Early critics said the Ica Stones were fakes, in part because their tails were almost all sticking out while walking. Paleontologists in the 1960s were confident that dinosaurs dragged their tails. The paleontologists were wrong and the Ica Stones were right. Scientists now believe dinosaurs held their massive tails off the ground while walking, because there are no drag marks on dinosaur trackways. The dinosaurs on the Ica Stones are accurately depicted standing upright, rather than with legs splayed out in a lizard-like position. The stylizing of animals depicted on the Ica Stones matches those found in the Nascan Lines (monkey with curled tail, hummingbird, and stylized dinosaur). Many of the Ica Stones were been blackened so that the artistic etchings stand out. Undoubtedly, many fraudulent Ica Stones have been manufactured over the years to sell to tourists. But dinosaur stones were found in tomb excavations by experienced archaeologists. Moreover microscopic analysis of the patina (covering the stone surface), copper traces and oxidation in the etching grooves helps distinguish between the authentic and the recently forged artifacts. In 2015-2016 Genesis Park participated in research seeking a methodology to independently authenticate the Ica Stones. This resulted in an article published in a peer-reviewed creation science journal.