Periods of 2520 years and 6000 years

by refiners fire 12 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    A rather interesting passage from a most historic magazine is reproduced here for your perusal. Its not a Watchtower magazine, rather, the magazine is called :

    The True Midnight Cry”. August 22, 1844 edition.

    As a little background, there had been a precursor “Midnight Cry” heralding the imminent return of Jesus, but this “Midnight Cry” had turned out to be a FALSE Midnight Cry, when Christ did not return on 21 April of 1844 as expected, and so the name of the new magazine “The TRUE Midnight Cry”. Heralding the return of Christ for 22 October 1844. Now this magazine, in its August 22, 1844 issue re explains the “truths” espoused by William Miller in support of the return of Christ . The Millerite movement expectation was not based upon merely 1 Biblical line of prophetic proof, but rather upon numerous time lines of prophetic proof , all of which intertwined and terminated at a specific point. The year 1844.

    I thought that 2 of the time line proofs would be of especial interest to readers on this site. Quotation is as extensive as possible, paragraph 4 :

    “The period of time allotted for this world, in its present state, is 6000 years, at the termination of which commences the great millennial Sabbath spoken of in Revelation 20,and which will be ushered in by the personal appearing of Christ and the first resurrection (see Heb 4 v 4-9, Isa 11 v 10, 2 Peter 3 v 8)

    According to Ushers chronology, which is commonly received, the Christian era commenced in the year of the world 4004. But Usher had lost in the time of the judges 153 years. From the division of the land of Canaan to the beginning of Samuels administration , he gives but 295 years, wheras Paul, in Acts 13 v 20, gives us ‘about the space of 450 years’. From the book of Judges we obtain 430 years, and Josephus gives us 18 more for the elders and anarchy before any judge ruled, this, added to 430 make 448 which agrees with Paul….. making for the commencement of the Christian era 4157…… Deducting this from 6000 years, the remainder is 1843 and a fraction.

    Therefore the period will end within 1844 A D.”

    Paragraph 5, heading “The Seven Times of the Gentiles” :

    “The seven times of Gentile domination over the church of God, spoken of in Leviticus 26, began with the breaking of the pride of their power, at the captivity of Manasseh, king of Judah, 677 BC….This is the date assigned by all chronologers for that event. The 7 prophetic times amount to 2520 years. As proof of this we see Revelation 12 v 6, 14 , where 3 ½ times are equivalent to 1260 years. A ‘time’ therefore consists of 360 solar years, which multiplied by 7 make 2520. Had this period commenced with the first day of 677 BC, it would have terminated with the first day of 1844 AD…..It must have been in the autumn that Manasseh was taken captive. As proof of this see Hosea 5 v 5, Isaiah 7 v 8, Hosea declares that Ephraim and Israel shall fall, and that Judah shall fall with them. Isaiah represents the king of Assyria as threatening to do to Jerusalem as he had done to Samaria… The prophecy of Isaiah 7 v 8 is correctly dated 742 BC, 65 years from that point bring us to 677BC. In that year was the final breaking of Ephraim that it should not be a people. The history of this we find in 2nd Kings 17 th chapter…..Therefore in the spring or summer of 677BC, Esarhaddon, and the Assyrians commenced removing the remnants of the 10 tribes out of the cities of Samaria…”

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello refiners fire,

    thanks for the excellent piece of research. Another

    printed proof that the "Early Bible Students" , C.T. Russell

    included, 'borrowed ' 95 % of their scriptural material from

    the Adventists. Although sometimes admitted, in writing,

    not always clearly aknowleged in the right and proper way.

    Thanks again for sharing...informations and biblical researches,

    existing ...30 year before C.T. Russell.

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    RF, so then the propensity to peruse old books about the WTS and Russellism is not a sign of mental instability? LOL Glad to hear it...I was beginning to wonder about myself ("myself'....hey, who just said that?)

    I happened upon this little book at a GoodWill store: God's Plan Through the Ages, by the Rev, C.A. Chader (former missionary in India, Pastor in Brooklyn, NY, Bible teacher in Sweden, 1938).

    An excerpt from the Intro:

    The author has no axe to grind, no "isms" to propound, is neither Seventh Day Adventist nor Russellist but an evangelical Christian with Baptist background...He is willing, if requested, to deliver series of Biblical messages...These series of services...about sixteen or seventeen meetings in all...are illustrated by the big chart, 27x9 feet in size...which forms an integral part of this book.

    That chart in the back of the book is remarkably like the Divine Plan of the Ages chart. Dispensationalism sure was a bandwagon, eh?

    Craig

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Gents. I thought it significant that the gentile times

    the Watchtowers ONLY prophetic line of proof, is not even of their own invention.

    Theyve PINCHED it .

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello refiners fire,

    thanks for the excellent statement:

    "The gentile times , the Watchtowers ONLY prophetic

    line of proof, is not even of their own invention..."!

    I do believe your research is very, very valuable.

    Thanks again,

    Greetings, James Charles MacHislopp

  • johnny cip
    johnny cip

    thanx Refiners; good work.. if i'm correct, russell also used 1844 in the studies in the scriptures , as the forfullment of the Ten virgins verses etc. in combo with 1799, and 1829 or 31 to come up with 1874 etc. the gospel age the 40 years the 6000 years in 1873 and all others kinds of bible proof. it's amazing how you can take one faqlse prophecy after an other and turn it into forfullment that god is using you to teach the TRUTH..... IN FACT RUSSELL said in the 1880's that he along with jesus and the bible students borbour etc, were the CHRIST.. SOME HERE CAN POST THAT WT GEM I LOST IT... JOHN.. I ONLY go by memory now ,, as no jw i have met will come with me to the hall and look up any thing i have found . keep up the good work ....john

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Mac and JohnnyC.

    Well if the "times of the Gentiles" isnt an original idea, and is, in fact, an idea borrowed from Adventism.....

    And if the 1918 "resurrection" and the 1919 "Fall of Babylon" are only "proven" by Judge Rutherford being released from jail in 1919.....

    And if the 1914 Kingdom is only "proven" by the commencement of WW1 in that year....

    Isnt their theology something of a HOUSE OF CARDS ???

  • SwordOfJah
    SwordOfJah

    You people are the only ones I know that are obsessed with Rusells writings. We've moved on...

  • avengers
    avengers

    Moved on from what?

    From one fantasy into another. Sounds pretty good.
    Something like Alice in Wonderland.
    I must try this drug.
    What is it called? LSD?

    Oh no. It's opium for the people. Have a nice sleep.

    Andy.

  • Gamaliel
    Gamaliel

    SoJ,

    You people are the only ones I know that are obsessed with Rusells writings. We've moved on...

    Hardly. JWs are the only large group of people in the world still stuck on Russell's 1914 date. The only reason they pretend to have moved on, is that they are embarrassed to have anyone find out that Russell did not in fact predict anything right about 1914. The WTS has been obsessed with lying about what Russell taught before 1914. JWs have been asked to believe those lies that have appeared in many Watchtowers, the JW's in DP book, the 1975 yb, the God's Kingdom of 1000 Years book, Proclaimers book, and at least a brief mention in every other "book study" book since 1970.

    JWs claim to have moved on, but they have to stay obsessed with the era supposedly predicted by Russell for the sake of the authority Jesus supposedly gave them shortly after 1914. Personally, I just don't Cedar Point.

    Gamaliel

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