The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat 57 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Halcon

  Touchofgrey -Love was not the fundamental thing that caused our solar system to come into existence, but rather the collapse of a star....

  And what was responsible for the star?
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  Touchofgrey

  A inflation event some 13:9 billion years ago.
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  Duran

  And what was responsible for the star?

  Apply the same explanation to how God is said to exist.

  But thankfully sadly life forms did survive and led to the evolution and humans.

  Fixed that for you.
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  slimboyfat

  As Williams explains, God is not an additional thing in the universe that requires explanation. He is the explanation. To insist on the question of what caused God is not an argument against God, it's simply another way of saying that you don't believe in God. Because if there was an answer to the question "what caused God", then that God wouldn't be God, because God by definition doesn't have a cause. It initially seems like a clever question, "what caused God" , but it rather misses the point.
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  liam

  slimboyfat

  God is sufficient in himself. He doesn't require another, but he chooses to create others as an expression of love,

  If you were GOD, would you have put a Tree of Good and Bad in the Middle of the Garden to test the first Couple you Created. Why or Why Not?

  I asked a PIMI Elder with four children that question. At first he said Yes to test their loyalty. I asked him; "Why don't you do that now. Test your children's loyalty and include death for disobedience.

  He thought about it for a while, then He said; "We'll I just couldn't do that, my kids are innocent and I love them too much.

  Interesting when you put PIMIs in the same shoes. They can't seem to do what their God does to humans.

  If because of LOVE, God decided he wanted to share LIFE with someone. So He decided to Create Humans. Put them in a paradise earth and let them live forever.

  Why would he put a tree in the middle of the Garden to Test their loyalty?

  It makes no sense because now it's not about LOVE, it' about one's sense of self importance. Meaning this God is not a God who needs nothing. But it's a Being that needs Self-validation. He can't live eternally without, relying on external approval.

  Now we are talking about a Creator.

  We are not talking about an Omniscient, Omnipotent, Benevolent God.

  There's a difference!

  
  

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1j9msta/if_you_were_god_would_you_have_put_a_tree_of_good/

  
  

  
  
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  peacefulpete

  Ancient Jewish attempts to impose a logic to it all resulted in the Kabbala. God ultimately becomes everything and nothing at once. A divine infinity without description, parallel or name that emanated 'other' from itself, whereupon aspects of the divine force are in all and sustain all, good and bad. Said another way, everything is God. In any sense meaningful to humans, it (God) did not exist prior to this emanation of itself.

  Meaningless semantic exercises are fun.
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  Halcon

  A inflation event some 13:9 billion years ago.

  And what was responsible for that event?

  Likely we would agree agree on every effect's cause, until we got to first cause.

  Apply the same explanation to how God is said to exist.

  Scriptures state God is the alpha and the omega.
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  Halcon

  Liam- Why would he put a tree in the middle of the Garden to Test their loyalty?

  Because He wanted to.
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  TonusOH

  The world exists because God desires that there be an other, and so love is fundamental to that.

  Maybe it exists because god loves to create universes. Maybe the development of life is incidental to his love of creation; an interesting but ultimately discarded artifact of his fondness for causing worlds to form from the expansion of a singularity (or twirling them into existence out of thin air, if this is his preference).

  At the same time, a being who is utterly unlike us might create universes and worlds and people without a shred of motivation. Perhaps this is god's true nature-- he wishes universes into existence, then loses them in the clutter of his home, where they tumble about until they run out of energy and disappear in a puff of magic.
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  peacefulpete

  Intelligence cannot exist without something to perceive, create, learn, or feel.