Resurrection, Reconstruction? What is it? It never made sense to me. Your opinion.

by Wasanelder Once 40 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Half banana

  Yes, it was a hard to swallow doctrine but it came as part of the JW package.

  When you contemplate what is involved in a mass resurrection of billions of people, you can question what an absurd miracle that would be. Yet JWs, who are forbidden to challenge their leader's ideas, trot out who they will see in 'the resurrection' and hold it as a safety net for themselves for when they die. All of which underscores the real nature of this dream: it is another magic method of avoiding the emotional pain of death alias Blue-pill thinking.
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  Phizzy

  What is required for the concept to actually seem reasonable to the mind, is a belief in what is called "Soul Sleep".

  The problem for the J.W org is that because they do not know how to read the Bible in a Scholarly way, i.e, using proper exegesis to understand the writers thoughts, and take it all as literally as they can, they claim that as it says the Soul dies, that nothing of you lives on after death.

  The idea that Big J contains in his big brain every one of your memories, which is pretty embarrassing in my case if true, still does not cut it as to believing that the newly created human is still really you, of course it would not be.

  The usual muddled, ill-informed thinking here from the J.W org.
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  JoenB75

  Whatever you think of the afterlife that never worried me one bit. If God is big enough to create, God is big enough to "bring back" our miserable hides 😘
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  waton

  Many people need a "resurrection" even before they die. Think of the dementia, alzheimers, sedated patients, that need to be brought back up to standards before replication. If you want to spool a life backward, what is the ideal level, with the rest of the time just memory?
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  WTWizard

  What about getting a hold on karma and what causes it, and how to remove it? (Hint: It is not directly due to your hating something that deserves to be hated, as wicca believe in). There are curses placed on us, constant negative experiences, and programming that leads to these issues (which is why it is so dangerous to attend any church because they continually program people to accept hardship and misery, and slavery). Plus, when filthy energy is placed on us, problems result.

  Instead of worrying about a resurrection, why not focus on the source of this filthy energy and get rid of the source? To me, church has the job of giving you control of your karma, not giving you worse problems. Or lying about the source--no, if you hate someone because they do injustice to you, that is not the source of negative karma. Churches have not done this job--in fact, they prevent people from finding the sources of their problems or solving such. Not to mention, churches teach people to head to "the light". Find that, and your soul becomes a meal for the reptilians to get more garbage out to others. Is that the resurrection we need?
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  Ding

  @Wasanelderonce,

  I think of elders as company men who believe whatever the GB tells them.

  Did you have these doubts all along?
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  Nitty-Gritty

  The scriptures say when a person dies their "spirit" goes back to God. (Not the same as soul as the spirit without a body has no consciousness). But you re-create that body, and put back that "spirit" and it can be conscious again. With all the same memories, including the point of death, so to all intents and purposes it's you, as those memories are unique only to you. The spirit cannot be conscious outside a body. Those who have a heavenly hope have a "invisible spirit body" just like other spirit creatures because flesh and blood cannot survive outside the earth. So that "spirit" that makes us US, can be conscious in either a fleshly body or a spirit body.

  Jesus called death "sleep" because of the unconsciousness factor. When you die you (your spirit) is unconscious, when your body is recreated (or you are given a spirit body if going to heaven) your spirit becomes conscious again.
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  Nitty-Gritty

  Also want to clarify that the "spirit" is the memories and personality that make a person unique, that make you YOU.
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  Ding

  The WT view of "spirit" is that it's an impersonal, animating force, sort of like electricity.

  In their view, spirit brings life to all living creatures -- angels, humans, dogs, cats, etc.

  Spirit present = life

  Spirit absent = death

  But in WT teaching, a spirit has no personality or memories.
  
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  Nitty-Gritty

  "But in WT teaching, a spirit has no personality or memories".

  Correct. It cannot have personality or memories without a body.