They must also change the treatment of those who dissociate themselves from the JWs. It is inevitable

by LaFrancia 24 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • LaFrancia
    LaFrancia

    From Reddit ex jw, a user posted this material of a hypothetical new light on dissociated people......I'm posting it only for the record, nothing else is known. It seems that the topic has been deleted either by the moderators or by the user himself

    Understanding dissociation in light of the Scriptures

    3 What about those who decide to write a letter and dissociate themselves from the life of Jehovah's Witnesses? It is critical to distinguish between disfellowshipped individuals, who are removed from the congregation due to unrepentant transgressions, and those who voluntarily disassociate. 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 clearly states, "But now I write to you, do not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. Do not even eat with such people." This advice is specifically aimed at those in the congregation who persist in committing serious sins without repenting. However, those who dissociate no longer identify themselves as brothers or sisters in the faith. They made a personal choice to remove themselves, which is different from being removed for moral misconduct. Therefore, the strict exclusion applied to unrepentant offenders does not apply directly to them.

    4 Respect for religious freedom is a principle supported throughout the Bible, which emphasizes the importance of individual choice in matters of faith. Jesus himself demonstrated this respect when he allowed the rich young ruler to leave instead of forcing him to follow him (Matthew 19:16-23). Furthermore, when many disciples chose to leave, Jesus asked the Twelve, "You don't want to leave too, do you?" (John 6:66-70), showing his respect for their freedom of choice. This respect for personal choice is echoed in Galatians 5:13, which states, “You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free.” These examples illustrate that Jehovah and his son Jesus value individual choice in serving him.

    5 When someone dissociates, they are no longer considered part of Jehovah's Witnesses, thus becoming part of the world. Jesus' teachings provide clear guidance on how to deal with those who are not part of Jehovah's organization. In Matthew 5.44-48, Jesus teaches to "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you", emphasizing that Christian love should extend beyond the community of believers. However, it is important to remember that if a dissociated person becomes an apostate, actively opposing the faith, he or she should be treated as one who spreads false teachings. Jude 1:4 warns against ungodly people who distort Jehovah's grace and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. In these cases, strict separation must be maintained to protect the congregation.

    Questions to consider

    3. How does 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 help us understand the distinction between disfellowshiped people and those who voluntarily disassociate themselves?

    4. What are the biblical principles that respect individual religious freedom?

    5. In what ways should Christians interact with disassociated apostates?

  • LaFrancia
    LaFrancia

    It looks like 3 paragraphs taken from an outgoing W. Could it be that they are contained in the delayed W August 2024? One thing is for sure, after the defeat in Norway and the loss of state money and funds, they are forced to make changes to their discriminatory policies

  • FFGhost
    FFGhost

    Yeah, that’s not from any “secret” or “recalled” Watchtower article.

    There are literally dozens of clues indicating this was not written by any JW.

    The most glaring is the reference to “Jehovah’s grace”. Anyone who has spent more than 15 minutes with a JW knows that JWs absolutely never ever ever EVER use the term “grace” in connection with God - too much like “Christendom”.

    There are, as I mentioned, lots of other clues.

    “Jesus asked the Twelve, you don’t want to leave too, do you?”

    — not an exact quote

    — WT writers never use contractions

    — WT would never capitalize “Twelve”

    Etc.

    ”They are no longer considered part of Jehovah’s Witnesses”.

    That’s just bad grammar. Say what you will about the Writing department, grammatically they are nowhere near that sloppy (granted, some of their sentences ARE quite tortured - but still, they are never near that bad).

    Sorry, these paragraphs are just the deluded ramblings of a wishful apostate’s mind.

  • LaFrancia
    LaFrancia

    The translation is from another language. The topic was on Reddit english (and then disappeared), it was translated from English to Italian and now I copied it from an Italian website and translated it into English, so the errors are from the Google translation I use. I hope I have clarified this point for you

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    I can see them paying this kind of lip service if their charity status were at risk.

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    When their charity status is at risk we see such lio service?

    We truly see what this Borg is about when legal matters or anything to do with $$$ is involved!!

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Just remember…

    …for the WTS, money isn’t about staying on easy street, and being wealthy for wealth’s sake.

    It’s about ensuring the Org’s continued survival.

  • road to nowhere
    road to nowhere

    Has any one who disassociated done so without apostate comments?

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    &....because,,,, the Borganization as we know it CANNOT survive without its tax free status.

    It is 100% dependant on that.

    Makes me so mad. !!!

  • LaFrancia
    LaFrancia
    FFGhost

    The Twelve is an expression used in the New World translation. You can read the verses cited. John 6:66-70
    Grace is a wrong translation from Google

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