Russia - Still King of the North (page 2)

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With apologies to Charlie Daniels:

Well, the train to Armaggedon is runnin' right on time
And them Governin' Body boys are cookin' up in Brookline
People up in Wallkill can't be still
When ol' Freddy Franz is prophesying up in Bethel
People all over Jah's earth come from near and far
To watch da Judge sippin' on that whiskey jar

So gather 'round, gather 'round chillun'
Get down, well just get down chillun'
Get loud, well you can be loud and be proud
Well you can be proud, hear now
Be proud you're a jaydubya
'Cause the King of the North's gonna rise again

Milton Henschel propped up on a bale of hay
He ain't good lookin', but he sure can pray
And there's N.H. Knorr and you can't forget
That old brother Sydlik's gettin' God blest
And all the good people out in the field
Are diggin' bighead Teddy and C.T.R.

So gather 'round, gather 'round chillun'
Get down, well just get down chillun'
Get loud, well you can be loud and be proud
Well you can be proud, hear now
Be proud you're a jaydubya
'Cause the King of the North's gonna rise again

undercover

This is a shamless BTTT...

Because I'm damn proud of my plagerism and dammit...I want people to see it.

proplog2

Heathen:

I love writing your handle. It makes me feel soooo right. Anyhow.... HEATHEN (makes me feel like I'm flaming )

Please read Daniel 11:29 again. The ships of Kittim are not the King of the North. The ships of Kittim come against the KON.

drew sagan

I'm always surprised that on a ex-jw message board there are those who show up thinking that the 'end of the world' is still at hand because of some speculative interpretation. You figure we would have learned our lesson by now, but I suppose some of us need a little reminding.

Time to put all of those hopes and desires aside and do some real research.

proplog2

Kid-A

It's bad enough talking about cryptic messages in ancient books... please be explicit instead of trying to be cute.

Are you saying that the King of the North can be anything you want it to be?

You can only do that if you ignore all the other significant identifiers conntected with these entities.

proplog2

Drew:

I'm not surprised that people discount things they don't know anything about instead of engaging the issue.

But thanks for taking the time to state your opinion.... which is about as good as anyone else's opinion.

proplog2

HS:

I would take the time to explain how an atheist like me STILL believes in Bible Prophecy if you asked...

But, I know you are just interested in a little ridicule.

done4good

I would take the time to explain how an atheist like me STILL believes in Bible Prophecy if you asked...

I would really like to hear that. No, I'm not being sarcastic here.

j

proplog2

done4good:

How an Atheist can Believe In Bible Prophecy

It is not necessary to believe in "THE BIBLE" to believe in Bible Prophecy. It is obvious that a lot of the Bible is pure mythology and is therefore unbelievable. A reasonable person would weigh each part of the Bible to see whether it meets their criteria for "belief".

This brings us into the realm of diagnostic reasoning. The conclusions of someone who has just a passing acquaintance with a particular subject are often going to be different from someone who has devoted a lot of time and effort on a subject. A doctor who specializes in the diseases of certain organs might reach a different diagnosis than a doctor who has a more general orientation. This is no guarantee that a persons experience and background make a diagnosis correct. Generally, those who criticize Bible Prophecy are doing so because they feel that it is necessary to accept all of the Bible and all of its claims if a prophecy would prove to be accurate.

I look at Bible Prophecy to see if it really predicts something. That's the first stage. I don't care what the source is. I can always speculate about the source, later, if the predictions are accurate beyond probability.

PROPHETIC SET

I would define a prophetic set as a predicted sequence of events that have a common time frame. The events of the prophecy must have their fullfilment in significant NOT trivial events. This is to prevent the criticism that you can grab just any event as a fullfilment.

How I would estimate the probability of a Prophetic Set.
Suppose a Prophetic Set consists of 4 events (E) in a sequence. (E1,E2,E3,E4). An event can be any significant identifier, action, relation. Can we assign number values to the probability of an event? Sure. Even if we don't know the antecedent causes? Yes. The chance that any event occurs is 50% if we know nothing about the causes that precede it. Any event could have occurred or not occurred. If we say that there is only a 10% chance that an event could occur that would mean that we have some kind of predictive knowledge about the event. The same would be true if we say that an event has a 90% chance of occurring. But the most neutral position is a 50% probability for any event occurring.

If 4 things are predicted and the 4 things take place the probability of that is .5 X .5 = .25 X .5 = .125 Things really reduce quickly. 10 things have only a 1 chance in a little over 1000 of taking place. I have identified several Prophetic Sets that are too improbable to be chalked up to lucky guesses.

The preterists are severely handicapped because they can't use the "it hasn't happened yet" escape door when things don't match the actual events. Their fall back position is that it was never intended to really be prophetic in the first place. So they basically commit the fallacy of arguing in a circle.

So this is basically How an atheist might believe in Bible prophecy. It is of course dependent on finding really SIGNIFICANT events that fulfill the Prophetic Sets. It would be wrong to jump to the conclusion that ALL interpretations have the same validity. Validity requires that interpretations are weighed against each other. To just throw up your hands and say you can't make judgements in this area is just an admission that your are either not up to the task (you don't have time) or you just aren't interested. But be honest if you just aren't interested. Don't resort to ridicule.

Vernon Williams

Pro,

Thank you for the time and effort of your post.

In this stage of my Journey, I, thankfully, could care less about prophesy interpertation. If some one told me the King of the South was going to start ruling from the Magic Kingdom in California (NOT Florida) I would listen intently and just "go on...."

It is such a relief....you have no idea.....or maybe you do.....

Any how, thank you, again, for your stimulating post.

Yours in this Journey,

V

Russia - Still King of the North

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