question: scuicide and mental illness

by larrynbabies 40 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    larry:

    I can't imagine the pain you are in, but I feel for you. My oldest son attempted suicide, a serious attempt, some 7 yrs ago and it changed my life forever. It opened my eyes to how insensitive the org really is to those who are have a hard time facing life and it's problems. The way he was treated then helped open my eyes to where God really is and is not.

    Keep praying, and talking, and loving your kids. I was able to finally find out what I really believed in, and that I could trust God in a way that makes everything ok.

    All of us here are dysfunctional in some way from being raised or converted into the org. We have come to look to the org for what a person should only expect from God, or a higher power.

    Lyin, I feel for you and for your mom, the pain she was in. I can never know what it was exactly, but for me there is the pain of a promise betrayed; this is the year 2003, and no new system, haven't saved enough for retirement, etc etc. I wonder if this sense of loss and betrayal isn't behind a lot of the deep depression in the org.

  • Ghost of Esmeralda
    Ghost of Esmeralda

    (((((((Larry))))))))) I am so sorry for your pain. I cannot imagine how hard things must be for you right now.

    I am so glad your son did what he did. Your kids need you, you are a precious person to them, and especially since their mother is gone, they need you even more now.

    I have struggled with suicidal feelings since the age of 12. I was diagnosed with a chemical imbalance, and am on medication but I have to tell you that the thoughts never completely leave me. This is something that no one who knows me realizes, I think it may be the one thing that my husband doesn't even know about me.

    But I know that death is not the answer, in fact my leaving would be the most unkind and unloving thing I could do to my husband, and my child and as much as some days I just want everything to stop, the noise, the light, the physical pain I live with, I love them too much to leave them. I look into my daughter's eyes and I know how much she needs her mother, just as you can see how much your babies need you...and that helps to keep my eyes forward, so to speak. It is a struggle, but you have GOT to keep trying.

    Please do keep talking. Please seek treatment yourself, have you gone to a support group for families who have lost someone to suicide? There must be internet forums for it too, even if you don't want to go to a physical local support group. And as someone else mentioned (i forget who, forgive me) you may need medication at least for awhile to be able to get through this. Depression is a disease, and can be very successfully treated.

    My heart aches for you and your kids. Please keep reaching out, keep talking, find the support you need to keep going, no matter what it takes.

    Thank you for letting us know you a little through your post. You have more understanding here than you can fathom.

    ((((((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))

    essie

    ps ((((((((((Hugs))))))))))))) to lyin'eyes and all those whose lives have been effected by suicide...

  • obiwan
    obiwan

    Boy, just when you think yours is the worst reality slaps you in the face.

    ((((Hugs to all))))

  • larrynbabies
    larrynbabies

    I am trying the best I know how not to fall into megans footsteps. I have never in my life been so sad for so long and so deeply. I have just returned home from visiting my babies at thier aunt peggys house. We had an appointment today so my therapist can observe my babies and I interacting. It was a very positive visit I can be with them and there are times when everything is ok they can make me laugh and they can take my mind off of the pain of having lost my megan. then there are time when I look into my son chris's eyes and I see his mothers eyes in him and I cry I cant help it.

    Going through this custody battle is killing me inside. I seem to have to give in to everyone and I cant get a break. Chris has long blond curly hair and is in need of his first haircut. You would think that it would be just a matter of making an apointment, getting a camcorder and getting it done. But nooooooooo. We have to get the JW granpa's permision. So we don't anger him and cause him to do something else that will cause us more grief. I swear that if his sister peggy is able to convince him to let us do it I am going to find some other blond curly hair to put into an envelope and give him as a souvenier.

    The other twins name is Christopher he has a cleft pallet when he was 1 month old he was evaluated at childrens hospital and we set another apointment for 10 months later this apointment was his pre surgical appointment it was on feb 25 the day after megan passed away. His surgery was scheduled for 6 weeks later.

    After his jw grandparents decievingly got temporary custody they canceled the surgery because it was to stressfull. We were informed last thurs that his surgery is set for the 21st of this month. Now we are scrambling around to get a court order that will allow him to recieve blood if he needs it. This guy is the devil incarnate it seems that he will do anything to cause me grief and to rub this whole situation in my face.

    He blames me for megans scuicide and takes no responsibility himself. although his daughter made three attempts while under his roof.

    I am trying to keep my head up Christ it seems I cant even make a freaking ham sandwich without crying. Megan used to do that for me I mentioned to her that she didn't put enough mustard on it so afterward she would make sure that I had enough mustard I didn't have the heart to tell her she was now putting too much mustard on it I just ate them and told her I loved her.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Larry, the best thing to do is get professional help. They can determine if this is a chemical imbalance that will need long term treatment or if it is a short-term but difficult depression that will respond to a short term treatment. Support groups are good too for practical ways to cope and to take away that "I'm all by myself" feeling.

    Don't try to tough it out by yourself.

    Blondie

  • DJ
    DJ

    (((((((((((((((larry))))))))))))))))

    So sorry about Megan.. I am sure though that she wouldn't want you to be miserable forever. Grieving the loss of a loved one is hard enough and a suicide seems so senseless. Try to remember that you will get stronger and the pain does diminish in time. I know that seems impossible to you but it is true. I lost my first husband, he attempted suicide and suffered severe brain damage. I was angry that he would try to take his life and leave me here alone. He was self interested. It is selfish to take your own life, imo. He died many years later, he drowned because of the brain damage. It is a tough road you have to walk now but you can do it. Continue to pray and focus on your children. They need their daddy. I wish for you all of the future happiness in the whole earth and back again. Hang tough, you'll cry and you will feel down and another day you may feel anger.....eventually you will feel acceptance and you will be able to move on. I wish you peace. love, dj

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    DeDe, is there any possibility that your mom just accidently overdosed? It hapens. I have to take pain meds. and thej pills fog your mind, and thenu can['t remember when u last took your pills. So u take more. My doc told me that a lot of suicides are just accidental overdoses.that could acount for why she left no note.

  • larrynbabies
    larrynbabies

    this is extreamly true for oxicontins

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    No Wednesday,,,,,,, this suicide was different , there was no pill overdoes , which to me would have been alot easier than the way she did it.

    She jumped off the Jimmy Davis Bridge,,,,,,, pretty high,,,,,,,,into the Red River. She did not die because of the fall, although there were injuries with that fall, she drowned.

    She never could swim, and never tried to learn. So I have to think that it was a no turning back action, and the bridge was only a mile from her new apartment,,,,,,, she didnt even have pictures on the wall , yet or all of her things in it. I still to this day think it was a spur of the moment reaction, of built up grief for years, years of being ignored, years of guilt, including jw guilt. The night she took her life, my dad and his new live in girlfriend, ( a sister from our congregation only 8 years older than me) went to pick up my sister who was giving my mom some hell as most 14 yr old girls do let on the loose. I dont know what was said that night to her, but I talked to her about six hours before she must have done it, and her frame of mind was not in anyway indicitive of being in that kind of state.

    My aunt, my mothers sister is sure that my father , and that other woman, said some things to my mom while she was in a vulnerable state, she had been drinking and did have some thorazine in her blood but not much, but enough to cause a depressive state worse.

    My mother still love my father, why only she knew ......... and I am sure it hurt her to have them come to her home and take my sister away, and probably tell her what a piece of crap she was and how she was hopeless, and forever a drug addict and would never get better. My dad was a master at telling you how to feel and you usually did , I did.

    My mother thought Jehovah could never forgive her again, she was ate up with guilt at the neglect the cruel things she did to my sister and me, espcially me, since i was the oldest and I tried to help her, while she was on prescription drugs.

    I just think that many suicides are not always thought out to carry thru exactly at a certain time. I think in my mothers case it was on her mind, she had no one to tell her she was gonna make it, it would be hard being sober, she was for 6 months with out one pill.

    So when the things transpired that night ,,,,,,, with my dad, in the state she was in at that moment,,,,, it was just too much.

    I can understand that . There was no note, nothing in her apartment or journal to imply she had a serious plan. The cirsumstances all came together against her in those wee hours of the morning, only she, my dad, the other woman, maybe ( she may have been in the car some) and God knows what really happened that night.

    That has been the hardest to deal with , the not knowing for sure,,,,,,,but I just hope that she is in a better place and is smiling at me now , and I feel a sense of peace since I left the borg about her, I am not sure how to define the feelings I have now, but it is different. It is almost like she wanted me to be happy and to understand things , but she couldnt tell me. Now I feel she is at peace too.

  • avengers
    avengers
    Some of the harmful practices that can lead to youth suicide

    Can't disagree here, but I think this following leads more to suicide than anything-else

    6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women

    Is it actually suicide when they drive you to the edge? Who is responsible?

    M 2 cents.........Andy

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