Oh ewwwwww

by LovesDubs 16 Replies latest jw friends

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  Mulan

  I agree with Naeblis on a couple of things. His association with the JW's probably didn't make him this way, but it sure does attract the weirdos. The thing is, they always say they make people like this normal again. The scenario, is that the crazy people are the needy ones, and some people not crazy, are also very needy. They are the ones who are attracted to cults. Why not make it known? Let them all sweat a little. BIG DEAL!!! Get over it.
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  Tina

  Greetings,
  Thanks Loves,for the fascinating post!
  The wts policies unfortunately do implant some really sick thinking, sick ideas are rampant among the r/f.
  I've heard this from many,let alone my own mother:
  "It's better if so-and so dies now before armageddon,this way they'll have a chance to be resurrected'.........she was referring in this instance to a family member who was severely alcoholic......
  I heard variations of this same comment from other JW's....seems that they think if those who can't ,won't change ,or convert are thought better off dead! Now where does this sick mindset come from? And this from supposedly normal everyday JW's? (retch)
  And the other posters are spot on, too many times,the sick and dysfunctional are drawn to such messages. And it's not so hard to see that wts thinking can easily tip the balance,if one is mentally off to begin with.
  Anyway just my dos centavos

  Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny...."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense,you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
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  JW72

  I agree with Naeblis, u can't look at one man's incident to blame a whole cult, he is an individual and should be treated like one, it would be different if most or all witnesses were doing that sick act, but they're not, so......

  I just can't believe that some people think that this world isn't supposed to be the one that we LIVE in, it's such a shame to see people waste it like that.

  I can understand that it's human nature to expect more than u have, and that explains all theories of paradise or heaven or whatever... but I think they're just 'ideas', I don't believe there's any prook that these places really exist.

  I think I'll live THIS life in THIS world and then see what happens when I die.....

  If God exists and he thinks I'm not worthy of 'what he has in store for us all', then I'll never be accepted there, because I am who I am, and I'm not a bad person.

  The bravest thing to do is to admit that THIS is our life and NO-ONE knows if there is anything after it!!!

  Love to everyone

  Chris
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  JW72

  I meant proof
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  outnfree

  I don't know, maybe I'm just "thick" but I fail to see where anyone "painted an entire organization with a crazy brush." LovesDubs merely posted the articles, verbatim. Mommie Dark posted some more information and added these editorial comments at the end:

  His cult experience has fed his insanity in the most horrible ways. I wonder which came first, the cult indoctrination or the insanity.

  (A little hyperbole, here, too, Naeblis?)

  LovesDubs makes the further comment:

  ...most of the studies I was involved with people who were emotionally unbalanced in the first place. The wacko stuff they feed you in the organization only fuels that.

  So, the consensus at that point (and I later concurred) was that while Jason Pritchard was certainly an emotionally unbalanced person in the first place, his association with the Watch Tower Society may have exacerbated his delusional behavior due to their odd outlook on sex practices and paradise.

  The above in no way "paints an entire organization with a crazy brush" nor does it make the Society responsible for Mr. Pritchard's crimes.

  What it DOES do is to posit that because there were religious overtones to his rantings about killing the children first, adults afterwards and because he had been promoting suicide at the local Kingdom Hall, that his association with the JW religion put ideas into an already warped mind with tragic results.

  And that is ALL.

  Until, of course, things got heated!

  So nobody is looking "at one man's incident to blame a whole cult" for the knifing of the four young children.

  The cult IS to blame, however, for the mindset described in Tina's post that "those who can't, won't change, or convert are thought better off dead!" THAT is sick.

  outnfree
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  LovesDubs

  I felt revulsion when I read this article (and by the way I dont go LOOKING for these, I have a news service that sends them to me)...not because it was a JW per se, nor because of what he was thinking and DOING per se...but because I used to belong to same CLUB this guy did you know? ::::shudder:::: My mother in law used to pray for her nonJW children to somehow die before Armagedoom came so that they would be resurrected because she knew she would never be able to convince them of the "truth" in time! And she is quite sane thank you. And now that she is OUT of the Borganization, she is horrified that she ever thought that way. I guarantee you as a Catholic, she never felt death was mandatory to salvation. People look at the Borg thinking as a way to escape their own tortuous existences...Ive noted that they especially believe that the seriously ill, the retarded, the physically handicapped will be so much better off when the "Paradise" comes that they push it along waaaay too much..building such incredible false hopes in these poor souls that any MINUTE now Jehovah is gonna swoop down and make everything better if they just keep writing those letters from their wheelchairs and keeping their time up.

  We were all a hop skip and a jump from where this poor wacko ended up.
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  Farkel

  :According to the document, Pritchard had been a practicing member of the Jehovah's Witnesses but was excommunicated for visiting massage parlors.

  "Practicing member?" What is that? A baptized publisher, or non-baptized publisher? Once baptized they ALL go somewhat psycho with WTS regs. and laws and unspoken laws and hidden laws and local congregation laws and laws that aren't really laws, but "conscience matters" and all sorts of confusing things like that. It's enough to make any sane person insane.

  It's interesting to try to wonder that tie is between "visiting 'massage parlors'" and slitting children's throats.
  Are they related? I hardly think so.

  The guy was a nut. Dubs get their share of nuts, but so do Catholics, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews and just about any other kind of religion. I suspect that the guy was a nutball long before he decided he wanted to be a dub, and the fact that he was a dub doesn't really mean much. In all fairness to dubs and in my experience with them as a primo cultist, THEY didn't do anything to make him the nutball that he was.

  This is not true in every case, IMHO. But from what I've seen of the evidence, one cannot blame Jehovah's Witnesses for the fact that a jerk happened into their midst.

  Farkel