It's so simple -- Matthew 24

by cruzanheart 91 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • gumby
    gumby
    He's telling us not to give in to the hatred around us but keep that love of God and neighbor no matter what, and that's what's going to save us.

    This is what confuses me.

    Jesus said it was only THROUGH him.....can we be saved. One must accept that he is the way and the life and the door.

    If I have all the love in the world for my neighbor and for god........but do not accept the Jesus story as set out in the bible.......I'm going to die and be considered a wicked rebellious man by god.

    I think Jesus should have stipulated that besides loving god and your fellowman as yourself..........".you also have to believe in me. " I realised he was talking to those under law..........but those words were for us too.

    I don't direct this at you Nina.............but anyone who could explain this would be appreciated.

    Gumby

  • johnny cip
    johnny cip

    j canon; i like your stories about the virgins that when the lord was LATE THEY WERE READY, then you contridictyourself with the boat is leaving at 10 o'clock on the dot!!!! lets check the record and see when, god's mouth peice on earth, with the proper spritual food AT THE PROPER TIME .said that the boat was LEAVING. russells spritual teachers said it was 1844 then 1845 , then switched to the ten virgins on 1844 when the boat didn't even show up to load i think it sunk in a storm. but the wise virgins had enough oil to wait for 1872, 1873 1874 78 the boat was full in 1881 or was it overloaded and sunk at the pier.... imagine god was mad and left without all who did'nt follow this bible TRUTH . OH BUT THE BOAT SUNK after everone was told to get off because the water in it was tainted.. but jehovah sent other boats in fact a whole armada of slave baots for the foolish. there was the boat that loaded from 1905-07 . , when the food ran out russell let all off and told them to come back from 1910-12 to reload get on the boat but it beached in a storm. but russell had a lot of boats!!! he had the ark of jehovah in 1914. lol wonder who's instructions russell built that ark on . it was a bad design and never even floated.... but he was fast he build another ARK under angelic direction reaqdy for oct 1915. but faith had it that satan surplied the nails and it broke at the seams... but russell died in 1916 heartbroken and told rutherford from the grave or was it heaven to build more ARKS there was the on for 1918 then the ark for 1920. then the rapture of 1921. then rutherfords biggest ARK OF ALL THE MILLIONS NOW LIVING ARK OF 1925. that rutherford was more sure to sail than NOAH WAS about the first flood wt 1917 and sept 15 23 also the 1919 and 1922 conventions at cedar point ohio.. when thaqt ARK CAPTSISED IN THE BAY IN 1926 the wt collected all the wood to build a house on dry land for isaisah ,abraham, in jacob on san diego. because then wt reaqlized they weren't sailors. so jehovash's prophet the wt gave bible proof that the world was to end in 1929, 1931-32 hitler was to win the war and jehovah was to furfull the principles of the nazi gov't to the pleaqsure of all man find wt year book 1934. then the world was to end in 1941 and not to have children from 1923-1951 then we go into the generation of 1914 which was to end in 1951 -54 1975 1986 89 95 and any date inbetween... this was from the ARK THAT FRED FRANZ build that went hidither and dither with the winds of change for many years. sure glad i didn't get on that ark thaqt slowly sunk in 1995 even the GREAT JEHOVAH IN BROOKLYN COULD NOT SAVE THAT JUNK FROM SINKING.....JOHN

  • SheilaM
    SheilaM

    JCanon: I want to thank you for reminding me how pompous and self-righteous JW's can be. For a group that has been consistenetly wrong, a group lacking in the fundamental aspects of love, for a group that will pick and prod at the straw but ignore the rafter that is protruding from every eye that associates with it. I am still amazed how arrogant they are.

    Your posts remind me that if God prefers you an your group to other honest hearted, caring, loving people than I would rather NOT spend eternity listening to their self-righteous propaganda.

    BTW: Cruzan I agree with you and Big Tex as always

  • herk
    herk

    John,

    A great post! I'm sure glad I got off that sinking (stinking???) boat.

    SheilaM,

    JCanon: I want to thank you for reminding me how pompous and self-righteous JW's can be.

    He's got my hearty thanks too. Yours is another great post that makes good sense.

    Herk

  • JCanon
    JCanon
    JCanon: I want to thank you for reminding me how pompous and self-righteous JW's can be.

    With all due respect, I may be pompous and arrogant about my beliefs, but I don't think I'm all that "self-righteous".....

    But you know, an inflated ego is like a big hot air balloon, it floats up to the ceiling while other more modest baloons dangle at different heights anchored to the floor; so there's no problem really. The only other baloons that the big-ego balloon will bump into is other hot-air-ego balloons that have always floated up to the ceiling. So I don't mind having a big ego since it only offends other big egos, which can take care of themselves. Modest, humble people love me!

    Canon

  • JCanon
    JCanon
    lets check the record and see when, god's mouth peice on earth, with the proper spritual food AT THE PROPER TIME .said that the boat was LEAVING. russells spritual teachers said it was 1844 then 1845

    This is a very interesting point. But since you are dealing with the reality fulfillment. Note that in the parable of the virgins, BOTH BEGAN TO NOD and their lamps began to die out. Therefore, this prophesied that JW would not have all the knowledge and would not have the correct understanding of all things just before the master arrives. So their getting some things generally right but specifically incorrect is PART OF IT.

    So BOTH GROUPS are rather spiritually sleepy (in the dark) at one point. Thus being incorrect about certain Biblical things does not disqualify them as the group prophesied as the "temple organization" who would preach the good news.

    Here's how their dates HALF-WORK:

    They emphasized 1874 as the date for the second coming, based upon the 1335 days. That was incorrect, but their understanding that the 1335 days must fulfill the second coming was right. Furthermore, when this generation is compared to Noah's, there has to be a 120-year concept of preaching and that 120 years is correctly dated from 1874 to 1994. The last generation is correctly dated as 80 years from 1914 to 1994. So you see, though they really didn't understand completely (they were nodding) what the date meant, they still knew it was a significant date and made people generally aware of it and pointed to when the Messiah would arrive.

    1914: Same with 1914. It's the wrong date for the "end of the gentile times" or the "second coming", but it's the correct date for beginning the "signs" that would last a generation within which time the Messiah would arrive: 1914-1994. That sign would begin with "nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom"; namely, a world war. So while 1914's meaning changed, it is still a critical date for letting us know that the Messiah would arrive within a generation of that time. So they made the date known and preached about the "time of the end" which was correct.

    What one must realize is that the organization is imperfect and was prophesied from the very beginning to be corrupted with weeds. This is the organization prophesied in the parable about the "wheat and the weeds" where the master planted good seed and truth and then Satan came in and planted weeds even before the first blades came up. But what to do? If you tried to separate the wheat and weeds at this point (the wise and foolish virgins nodding), then you might pluck up some of the delicate wheat. So God decided to still use this organization, even though there were weeds (false prophecies, inaccurate views) among the wheat until the very end when Christ would come. Then, when he comes, he would separate the mature wheat (the wise virgins) from the false weeds.

    So when you look at Jehovah's witnesses in the context of "god's organization" you must not just focus on the false prophecies, but what accurate knowledge they have far beyond the religions of Christendom.. For instance:

    Understanding that Christ is an angel, the archangel Michael, for instance. That's major!

    Understanding that the Trinity is a false pagan doctrine. That's major.

    Understanding the "7 times" prophecy links the fall of Jerusalem with the second coming. That is an accurate understanding, though if you don't have the right dates you get bad timing. No problem.

    They also understand the chronology of the "70 weeks" prophecy, where Christ appears after 483 years into the 490 years at his baptism. They have the correct date for this to start, 455BCE, but the wrong event.

    So you see...wheat mixed with weeds.

    But when the messiah arrives he will separate the true wheat from the weeds WITHIN this same organization. Some of the people in the organization, truly are weeds, but others God's wheat.

    But...before you get ballistic. These few wheat, true sheep, that come out of this folk, a "little folk" will be brought to a larger fold of Christ's sheep being gathered elsewhere! So you don't have to be in this particular organization for God's blessing or approval, no more than God intends to just save Jews though they also have a special convenant to fulfill certain things.

    Canon

  • Valis
    Valis
    But when the messiah arrives he will separate the true wheat from the weeds

    I hope so cuz I sure do hate smoking wheat..

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

  • JCanon
    JCanon
    Your posts remind me that if God prefers you an your group to other honest hearted, caring, loving people than I would rather NOT spend eternity listening to their self-righteous propaganda.

    You know, this is interesting. But God at the second coming intended to send an obnoxious kind of Messiah into the world, rather offensive to those who were only looking at the surface things and not listening to his message, and I've often thought it was a ploy on his part to get the truly arrogant to voluntarily jump ship to save time trying to decide whether or not they could be saved.

    I guess it's working.

    I guess this is the part where Christ really doesn't judge...people judge themselves and separate themselves, volunteering to jump into the lake of fire. But it works--just another good way to keep the superficially righteous but inwardly arrogant out of the kingdom.

    Canon

  • JCanon
    JCanon
    I hope so cuz I sure do hate smoking wheat..

    ROFL! Right....I didn't say what he was going to do with the weeds.

    Incidentally, this is more pertinent than you think. The concept of the "weeds" has to do with the mysteries since and wheat-like weeds carried some type of a fungus that caused hallucinations and that was part of the mysteries. Thus "weeds" are an inference to the mysteries. That is, the infiltration of this particular organization by those into the mysteries (i.e. Freemasons).

    Anyway, there is a loose Biblical connection of the "drug effect" of the weeds in the parable. Just for your info. (Please don't ask for an elaboration...I'm out on a limb as it is).

    Canon

  • Valis
    Valis
    I've often thought it was a ploy on his part to get the truly arrogant to voluntarily jump ship to save time trying to decide whether or not they could be saved.

    more stupid tests by a psychotic deity?...sheesh.Sounds like someone's version of god needs some serious medication..

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

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