The Taking Down the Tower Myth

by IslandWoman 19 Replies latest jw friends

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  Stephanus

  I said "I" so many times for good reason and with purpose. I was making it very clear that when I am talking about the Tower falling, I have a very specific definition of what that means. And according to that definition, I am not wrong when I say the Tower will fall. Hardly rocket science, is it?

  As for reform, it's happening from without, not within, the same way Iraq is being reformed - you'd hardly call that a victory for Iraqi moderates, would you? The moderates within the Tower recently attempted reform with the failed issue of the new blood cards that implied that autologous blood is okay. Those were immediately withdrawn. The moderates aren't driving reform, it is the angry outsiders. Look at the UN issue, discovered by a netsurfing apostate and how quickly the Tower dropped that one! There will be real reform on the child molestation issue when some court cases start to be won. NOT because of internal moderates, but external pressure. If you attack something and it capitulates to your demand, is that a victory for that thing? Nope! It has lost the battle; it has FALLEN. The Tower is toppling and falling as we speak.

  But the one fell swoop theory just doesn't hold water. It ain't gonna happen that way. The USA is way too religion-friendly to allow lawsuits to bankrupt them.

  Too true. But they will be a shadow of their former glory. The Tower is falling.

  As far as reform goes, I think that there are plenty of 40-50 something org heavies that are just as conservative as Jaracz and company.

  Exactly - the moderates are as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike - to hope they can gently reform the system from within is to hope in vain. Reform will come from the short sharp shocks that the Tower is receiving from outside. It will happen not because someone good inside the org is trying to make something good happen within the org, but because someone bad will jettison some bad policy in order to save the Org from something bad happening.
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  nicolaou

  The 'Fall of Communism' Myth

  Some prominant capitalists have promulgated this myth. Some have done so out of hatred for the party others because of love for the Western ideology.

  The "fall of Communism" will not happen.

  Just as the Roman Catholic Church continues and all of her children continue, so will the Communist party. It fills a need among the socially disenfranchised and will continue to so for some time.

  There is no "smoking gun" large enough to take down a political structure which draws to itself the cast offs of other oppresive regimes.

  ( remember the Berlin Wall )

  Pressure, pressure, pressure. Pressure from within is what will cause the Watchtower to fall.

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  I hope,

  Nic'
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  Simon

  I agree

  I don't think "taking down the tower" is achievable or should be promoted to people - the more it's cited as a goal or agenda, then the more unlikely it is to succeed as current JWs see it as persecution and it fits in with everything they have been taught to believe.

  Instead, helpnig individuals and being supporive of those asking questions and trying to leave will do most good and ironically, I think will be more likely to damage the WTS.

  Ultimately, there will always be people who will follow anything, however obviously wrong it is to everyone else so I doubt they will ever disappear completely even if they do loose a lot of members. All we can do is keep pressure on them to change their behaviour and publicise the things they do to stop them hurting more people and cut off the supply of new converts that they rely on.

  Information is power, we have the information.
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  Brummie

  I wouldnt waste an ounce of breath trying to bring the WT down . Its far more benificial to get on enjoying life and seeing the WT bring itself down with its pathetic lies. They are on self destruct, why bother worrying what the outcome will be? Its pretty predictable
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  NeonMadman

  *** re chap. 30 p. 206 "Babylon the Great Has Fallen!" *** (Slightly Modified...)

  You may ask, ‘Since the Tower still exercises great influence in the earth, why does the angel announce that it has fallen?’ Well, what resulted in 539 B.C.E. when ancient Babylon fell? Why, Israel was freed to return to its homeland and restore true worship there! So the restoration of former JW's in 1980 and thereafter to a radiant spiritual prosperity, which continues and expands to this day, stands as evidence that the Tower fell in that year. No longer does she have power of restraint over God’s people. Moreover, she has come into deep trouble within her own ranks. Since 1980 her corruption, dishonesty, and immorality have been widely exposed. In many areas, few people go to the Kingdom Hall anymore, and in many socialistic countries, JW religion is regarded as a dangerous cult. Disgraced in the eyes of all lovers of God’s Word of truth, the Tower now waits on death row, as it were, for the execution of Jehovah’s righteous judgment on her.
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  metatron

  Reform reform reform?

  How about money, money, money?

  Take away their cash flow and they may become a joke. The Catholic church adapted to the world and built a

  solid infrastructure. The Watchtower continues to be seduced by the 'mental masturbation' of "Armageddon Soon!"

  and slowly loses what little infrastructure they have. Tell your geeky son to go to Bethel while they kick out

  guys that have been there less than five years. No money for subscriptions? Throw out a hundred and twenty year

  tradition! They won't disappear completely --- but they might disappear into obscurity, where they richly belong.

  metatron
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  IslandWoman

  Nicolaou,

  The 'Fall of Communism' Myth

  President Bush knew he could force regime change in Iraq but no matter what he does he will never be able to take down Islam even if he thought the world itself was endangered by it.

  Religion is too powerful to be taken down, especially multi-national religion. Really, in my opinion, what is wrong with the Tower or any other organized religion, is not the religion itself but the wicked leaders of that religion who promulgate filthy ideas in the name of God. Put in good leaders and the religion will change, any religion. imo

  IW
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  Ravyn

  The 'tower' does not deserve to fall anymore than any other religion does. They all deserve to 'fall', but it won't happen until humans outgrow their need for religion. so evolve already dammit!

  Ravyn
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  Ravyn

  what did I do? (that was a short half-life even for this board!)

  Ravyn
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  Realist

  islandwoman,

  if it were not for the US justice system i would totally agree with you. BUT there is the slight possibility that the WT will have to pay billions in reparation (like the catholics) and that might drive these nutcases bankrupt.

  if there would be a god i would pray for this to happen