by ClassAvenger 35 Replies latest watchtower bible
Jesus was given a name above ALL others. Why don't they use his name? Do they feel he is less capable of taking care of Satan? Might Jesus lose?
All verses in the NT show the name of Jesus was used to cast out demons........not Jehovah.
Personally......I think Funkyderek hit the nail on the head........as always.
Gumby
I agree with you Gumby
Actually I ask the Grandmother's to take care of whatever!!! Incidently they do a great job!!! By my standards!!
OCW
without getting too metaphysical here...
I believe in the concept that there are higher spirit realms above humanity and lower realms(not sure about them being spirit per se) WITHIN humanity. I am not explaining this very well, I know because already I have confused myself...
ok, the Norse idea of 9 worlds, or the other pagan ideas of a tree of life sorta thing---I do believe there are spirits outside of the human creature, but I also believe there are 'levels' with in us as we are just a reflection of all of the Universe. So I do believe there can be 'demons'--BUT I do not believe they are naturally malevolent spirits outside of humanity intent on doing us harm. I also believe 99% of the so-called demons that JWs and other religions believe in, do not come from outside of humanity. I think it is the dualism inside of us and the deeper levels of ourselves. And I absolutely do not underestimate the power of our inner demons. Humans are very powerful creatures and we have no concept of it for the most part.
So....WHATEVER you BELIEVE chases away these demons, will chase them away since they are your own 'demons'. If it is a true spirit creature, I have never had the need to chase them away---if they scare me I ask them to go and they do. I have asked them what they wanted and when I found out why they were communicating with me---my fear has dissipated.
If you want to believe that saying a name or 'magick word' chases away the bad boogers of life--or a rabbit's foot or a prayer--then it will work until you doubt it.
I do not believe it is inferior or childish or superstitious to believe this way, so I am not putting anyone down. I think the human animal is always evolving and at this point in our development symbol and ritual are still necessary.
As a JW kid I had many many scary 'demon' experiences. As an XJW adult I have many many 'supernatural' experiences. However, the demon experiences I had as a kid were resolved in a dream about a year after I left the JWs.
I had 'the demon dream'--that recurring nightmare that I have had ever since I was 5 or 6 years old where the doors slam and the lights go out and the demons scream and you can't get your voice to say 'Jehovah' and you wake up in a total panic and pray the rest of the night out loud.... one difference this time. This time I did not try to say 'Jehovah' or to wake myself up. This time I ran into the evil black cloud that was screaming at me and I embarced it. I said 'nuh-uh'(as in the negative to uh-huh) and I grabbed that demon and I hugged the $h!t out of it! Guess what? it got all warm and it turned into a giant brown cloud of chocolate! I actually woke up tasting chocolate! What a trip! I have never had that dream again! In fact I have not been scared by any demons since. I have had visits by other spirits, but they were not scary. The worst demons were inside me, and I literally embraced them and they turned into chocolate. Dang even I could figure that one out without a visit to a Jungian psychoanalyst!
So while there will be many who think that a belief in any spirits or communication with them is just hogwash, I am not one of them. I respect spirits and 'demons'. But I do not fear them. The only ones who can control me are the ones that are 'in' me, and now I know I can change that.
I guess that makes us all possessed to some degree huh?
Ravyn
Ravynn,
I too believe in the existence of spirit realms. Some have stated that demons and such only exist in our minds, but I know this is'nt true. I've seen items in a room being thrown to the other side of the room for absolutely no apparent reason, when I was the only one in the room. So if you've had first hand experience with this kind of thing you DO BELIEVE. To try and dismiss these experiences as "hogwash" or whatever, is not fair. I am quite in control of my mental faculties, was not on drugs when these things occured, and don't make stuff up. I agree very much with your post, especially the part about there being different "realms" if you will in the spirit as well as physical world. People that just dismiss the possibility of these realms existing obviously have never had first hand experience with these realms, so I don't fault them for their scepticism, but they tend to try to make people who DO believe, look silly or feeble minded. I beleive that people can contact these realms during meditation, and confuse these "contacts" as being God. When in reality they are meeting inhabitants of "lower" astral realms, who may not have the aspirants best interests at heart. These I believe are the "demons" that people refer to....But as you alluded to, these "demons" if approached as you did, will disappear. I believe that these "entities" are fueled by an individuals fears. And without this fear, they have nothing.
I believe in the scripture that says "Perfect love casteth out all Fear" I believe Jesus said that, and I have a lot of respect for the things said attributed to Him.
Thanks,
Integ.
Turn the light on please, where is the switch? I can't read.
Uninformed or misinformed people can be easily programmed. They (we) usually do not have an antivirus to protect their head from accepting stupid concepts.
Been in the dark, is any sense of the word, is scary as you don t see, or have any control of what is going on.
Have you seen how hesitant is a real blind person trying to walk around without the stick and no training?
The more I ignore the more insecure I am. We may ignore that some stuff we believe is nonsense.
When insecure people get the jitter they turn the light on to get some relief. Or they get near where more people are 'congregated' to get the feeling that help is near by, insecurity.
BTW
The preservation instinct, present in animals too, keep me away from potential danger, uncontrolled or perceived as uncontrolled situations, such as dark spots.
I am afraid of my imaginary enemy, just like I love my imaginary friend unconditionally.
How phucked up is the world when people are willing to let their kids die because they believe it would displease an imaginary friend to give them a blood transfusion to keep them alive? How screwed up is it that parents will reject their grown children because some organization that has changed their mind about this subject in the past tells them that their imaginary friend will kill them at some future globlal battle if they show love to them or speak with them?
How screwed up are YOU if you allow belief in some imaginary friend govern YOUR life and actions? Do you love God more than your family members? What is the difference? You BELIEVE in some GOD but cannot prove that he exists - just as you cannot prove someone elses God exists or that the voices talking to the madman are real? You are in the same league as the person believing in the God you claim is false and in the same league as the madman. How can you claim that the God of the other fellow is false, yet you have as much proof as he does that your imaginary friends exist?
How messed up are you if you believe that invisible enemies are out to get you? You see some person who believes that black helicopters are spying on him and will harm him in the future? You and he are as nutty as each other....why? Because you have as much proof as each other that the "bad guys" are lurking to get you!!
You have been conditioned by fear. You can become unconditioned...I know I did. I have zero fear of any demon, devil or God. If I am wrong, so be it - show me a devil or show me a God...perhaps then I will believe the opposite one exists too. Until then please keep your paranoia to yourself and do not allow it to affect or screw up the lives of other people - they do not deserve to live as you do.
Jack
Alright, I need a question answered, if possible with bible versicles. Do demons flee when someone pronounces God's name, Jehovah?
This is really a good question and very close to something I was tossing about the other day.
Growing up as a JW we were taught that pronouncing "Jehovah" out loud (something along the lines of "In the name of Jehovah God get away" or "Get out" or "flee from here") would drive demons away from you if you were being attacked.
This doesn't make much sense and is contradictory to the belief that "exorcisms" are a predominately Catholic thing and a form of practicing demonism.
I've had many encounters with demons in the past. Saying Jehovah out loud didn't seem to faze them at all.
So I divorced my husband and they left.
It was a package deal.
I've had many encounters with demons in the past. Saying Jehovah out loud didn't seem to faze them at all. So I divorced my husband and they left.
LOL Plummer.
You worried me there for a minute as I was going to ask you to explain these encounters as I have never heard of a factual one. So........your hubby was the demon eh?
Gumby
all the demons that I once knew left me alone once and for all when I stopped believing in them
