Another anti-gay Republican Senator (in the USA) caught advertising his body

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  • Actigall Ur
    Actigall Ur

    I think that is a little unfair. Just because someone says they don't want the lifestyle pushed in their face doesn't make them homophobic or closet gay.

    I have no problem with people being gay, having gay pride parades, getting married, having all the same rights everyone else does or whatever they want but I also don't think it's appropriate to deliberately try to shock / disgust other which is what some few do - that is what I take having the lifestyle pushed in your face to mean. There's nothing wrong to say we don't like that - the fact is I don't like loud people in general or whoever it is doing what I consider to be inappropriate things in the wrong setting, gay or straight.

    It's this militant / black-white / for-us or against-us type of rhetoric that really undermines sympathy in people's situation. When people go out looking to offend so they can claim they are being persecuted and unfairly treated if they succeed.

    Just act like everyone else who honors the social norms. I don't care if two people walk down the street holding hands whether they are gay or straight. If I dislike a couple making out in public on a park bench it's not because of whether they are gay or straight, it's because I think it's inappropriate.

    Equality is being treated equally which also means having your behavior judged just the same as everyone else.

    @Simon- Thank you for the bit of sound reasoning. I could not have said it better myself. Being at work limits my multi-tasking ability writing on this forum but as you said, some make it so blatantly obvious for the sake of making other irritated. Reminds me of this disgusting individual who suffered from some terrible intestinal disease which caused him to produce vast amounts of excess, putrid gas. He knew we all hated it so he purposely did it at the conference table, in the cafeteria, in the cubicle, just anywhere he knew it would annoy us.

  • Actigall Ur
    Actigall Ur

    I think lumping a sexual orientation in with deviant / perverted behavior will anger many people and is grossly unfair. They are not equivalent things by any stretch.

    Simon, the line you are walking is very thin with that statement because as I said, the rabbit hole goes deep on the philosophical aspect of this subject. It's quite relative to everything. For example, Western culture finds marriage to a 10 year old girl disgusting but in MENA it is quite common and acceptable.

    Why would a 70 year old man dating a 17 year old girl be disgusting to you not someone else or vice versa? WHO says what is acceptable and not?

    A homosexual might find a zoophile disgusting and vice versa. Using similar reasoning, a homosexual might find a heterosexual relationship disgusting for the same reasons a heterosexual finds homosexuals repulsive. Who is to say what is deviant and not? What is the standard to judge this on?

    This topic has no clear answers.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Top marks for honesty, Actigall, and well said Simon.

    In a truly liberal society, saying you dislike something should be allowed, even encouraged.

    This is where liberals might risk becoming illiberal, IMO.

    A person saying they have issues with the worst aspects of gay society doesn't necessarily make them homophobic.

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    Actually Actigall Ur I am more offended by your juvenile political slurs then a lame anti gay stance.

    I'm enemy number one to the libturd agenda!

    Lib turds......lets run to the hills Actigall of Ur has declared war!

    And Yes this is the same person who revealed a great deal with his anti gay statement "having their lifestyle forced in my face"

    Yikes!!!

    If you were indeed an ex witness I can feel a certain degree of compassion for a person like you who once thought that they had the 'truth'. You've found a new truth which is " I'm not a retard......I know who I hate!

  • Simon
    Simon
    WHO says what is acceptable and not? What is the standard to judge this on? This topic has no clear answers.

    Yes it does.

    Studies have shown that people are born gay. Other behaviours are simply people wanting to take advantage of other people's youth (usually with their wealth) but if both are able to consent ... it's up to them (more of a cultural construct).

    The other things you mention are most likely the result of abnormal development, experience or some trauma - no one is born with such desires IMO. The fact that 99.999% of people find such things repulsive shows they are different.

    But whatever the case, you simply don't get to lump those together with gay people and claim they are all the same and equal. They are clearly not.

  • Actigall Ur
    Actigall Ur
    Sorry Gio, that was a Freudian slip of my keyboard. For some perplexing reason, my mind is always connecting liberals with turds; thus the libturd typographical error. I'll sincerely refrain from using that term as I know that liberals are so easily offended by every little thing due to their lack of self-worth, low IQ and "daddy issues." Let's put our imperfections behind us.
  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Who is to say what is deviant and not? - Western law. Sex w/out consent, sex below the age of consent and sex with animals are all deviant.

    Western culture finds marriage to a 10 year old girl disgusting but in MENA it is quite common and acceptable - I'm not sure that it's common but it unfortunately occurs. Western culture > MENA culture. Hopefully MENA citizens are growing out of underage brides.

  • Actigall Ur
    Actigall Ur

    Yes it does.

    Studies have shown that people are born gay. Other behaviours are simply people wanting to take advantage of other people's youth (usually with their wealth) but if both are able to consent ... it's up to them (more of a cultural construct).

    The other things you mention are most likely the result of abnormal development, experience or some trauma - no one is born with such desires IMO. The fact that 99.999% of people find such things repulsive shows they are different.

    But whatever the case, you simply don't get to lump those together with gay people and claim they are all the same and equal. They are clearly not.


    I agree that gays are born that way- that's old news. But I'm sorry to inform you, those other "deviant" acts are also in the genes- all of them. Whereas zoophilia, pedophilia and necrophilia are now categorized as psychiatric disorders and homosexuality is no longer, the fact remains that gene expression and chemical imbalances are now recognized as the underlying causes of those acts. You'll have to do your own due diligence and catch up with the "new light." LOL

  • Actigall Ur
    Actigall Ur

    @LoveUnuHateexams- Thank you. My question was actually rhetorical, but yes, as you pointed out, western law makes it so, which is again based on our own cultural constructs. If the world fell into anarchy, what was once acceptable may no longer be, and vice versa.

    I too hope the MENA people grow up out of their 7th century barbarism and step into the modern age. But I doubt it. Their populations are exploding.

  • Simon
    Simon

    You're done spreading your nonsense here. Any more will just be deleted. Go find a right-wing group you'll be more happy with.

    The word "consent" covers most of the issues.

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