Another anti-gay Republican Senator (in the USA) caught advertising his body (page 5)

krejames

Actigal UR: Yawn. Here's that big bad "homophobia" name calling again. LOL Do you want to add racist, bigot, misogynist and NAZI also? Sure, why not? I'll accept that. After all, I'm a white, straight male. I'm enemy number one to the libturd agenda!
Ohhh my feelings! I'm so hurt I think I'll kill myself now!

erm, a rather childish response wouldn't ya say? Believe me I wasn't trying to hurt your feelings, I couldn't give a sh*t about them if I'm perfectly honest.

But yes, the homophobia card is called for. If I said "I don't mind [insert skin colour] people, but I don't like their lifestyle being shoved in my face", that would be a clearly racist comment.

You completely missed the point of my reference to shows like Holiday Reps, as did (I'm sorry to say) Simon. The point is that those shows show A LIFESTYLE, They do not show "the heterosexual lifestyle". Simply because there is no such thing. That's why it would ridiculous for a gay person to say, after seeing such behaviour "I don't mind straights but I hate having their lifestyle shoved in my face".

Similarly, there is no such thing as "the gay lifestyle". If a gay guy posts naked pics on GRINDR, That's A lifestyle choice. Believe it or not, a lot of gays don't do it. Some of us live quite mundane, some might say boring lives with our partners, much like straight couples. If the senator referenced in the OP had posted naked pics of himself on TINDER, would I be accurate if I thought that is the heterosexual lifestyle being shoved in my face?

You expose your homophobia further when you say this

"..it was their defective genetic material passed down from their parents that caused them to be attracted to another man's lower digestive track"

As usual, the assumption of homophobes. You might be surprised to know that studies have shown that the percentage of gay men who engage in anal sex is pretty much the same as the number of straight men. A lot of us gays don't do it at all. Homosexuality has to do with being attracted to and falling in love with a person of the same sex. It is so much more than the sex act - just like heterosexuality is. Time to grow up and stick to talking about stuff you know about instead of spewing the same old judgmental vomit about stuff of which you are clearly ignorant.

So in conclusion. No one's name calling when they say you're homophobe. It's a statement of fact. Clearly you don't know it, but that doesn't change what it is.

Simon

You completely missed the point of my reference to shows like Holiday Reps, as did (I'm sorry to say) Simon. The point is that those shows show A LIFESTYLE, They do not show "the heterosexual lifestyle". Simply because there is no such thing

Wait a minute - that's exactly what I said! My point was that if I don't 'like' that lifestyle then it doesn't matter if the people doing it are gay or straight. It's not the gay or straight part that I am objecting to, it's the obnoxious behavior.

Why the hell do you think you have the right to go round calling people names? Are you so unreasonable that you think everyone that isn't gay is therefore automatically a homophobe if they don't express 100% adulation for all things gay?

No one's name calling when they say you're homophobe. It's a statement of fact. Clearly you don't know it, but that doesn't change what it is.

Yes, you ARE name calling - me. Read what I actually said, then you can perhaps apologize or at least retract your incorrect statement above.

krejames

Simon! I'm sorry I think there has been a huge misunderstanding somewhere. and honestly I'm really sorry if you think my comments about Actigal's homophobic posts were directed at you. I usually have huge respect for you and your posts. The specific posts I was suggesting were homophobic were by Actigal UR and especially the reference to "being attracted to the digestive tract".

I did state that I felt that you missed the point of my reference to the tv shows. That's not in any way calling you names or even remotely suggesting that you are homophobic. The reason I felt you misunderstood my reference to the tv shows is because you made the following statement:

"No, you get to chose the channel you watch so the "in my face" isn't quite the same but if it's in real life (i.e. not your choice) then I think it's inappropriate and I find such behavior repulsive whoever is doing it"

And the blame for this is with me (not you) for not explaining my train of thought very well. I don't make a habit of watching these shows (I did see one which had a Jehovah's Witness family but that's another story) but the tv channels advertise these shows when they are running a series. And you can guarantee the trailers will show the most excessive or shocking bits. So I would say the behaviour on these shows is being shoved in my face when I am watching a channel and the trailer comes on. The difference is, I do not think to myself "those straights! I hate their lifestyle being shoved in my face!" If those shows featured the same excesses but by gay people, I have the feeling there would be some people who would claim that the tv channel was shoving "the gay lifestyle" in their face even if they didn't watch those shows themselves.

You did open your post with the following comment:

"Just because someone says they don't want the lifestyle pushed in their face doesn't make them homophobic or closet gay."

And I'm sorry, but I absolutely do not agree that the kind of statements you are referring to are acceptable for any race, orientation or other groups that are subject to discrimination. If someone says that they do not likely the lifestyle (in this context "the gay lifestyle") being shoved in their face, that is a homophobic comment and is just as ridiculous as me saying "I do not like the lifestyle being shoved in my face" if I was referring to "straight people" based on the behaviour on the kinds of tv shows I was referring to. Especially as I know there are many gay people who behave exactly the same way. Likewise there are many straight people who behave just as excessively as some gay people. but it has nothing to do with the lifestyle of "straight people" in general or "gay people" in general.

To answer your questions:

Why the hell do you think you have the right to go round calling people names? Are you so unreasonable that you think everyone that isn't gay is therefore automatically a homophobe if they don't express 100% adulation for all things gay?

I don't know why you thought I was calling you names. But I think that's your misunderstanding. And no, I do't think everyone who isn't gay is therefore automatically a homophobe. Almost all of my friends and definitely my closest friends are straight. And they are definitely not homophobic. They are like family to me.

I don't expect people to have any adulation for anything gay. I'm hardly the most militant person - I never go on marches or make complaints or feel the need to "assert gay rights". I live a quiet but social life and, in fact, this thread is probably the most militant I have ever been. But I do stand by my right to call out someone (in this case Actigall UR, not you Simon) if I think they are making homophobic remarks. I would like to think I would call out someone if they were making similar remarks about any other minority group, gay or not.

So in conclusion I apologise if you thought my comments about Actigall's posts were directed at you. They were not. If I misunderstood your thinking behind your comment about the tv shows I apologise too. I do not make any retraction of my comments about homophobia because none of them were directed at you and I stand by what I said about it.

Zoos

Curious, what PRECISELY is the definition of "having their lifestyle forced in my face." I'm not sure what is meant by this.

Is gay porn being shown on a big screen in front of your home?

Do gay people come up to you and describe in detail what they would like to do to you in bed?

Do you get invited to all male Tupperware parties?

Please clarify EXACTLY what is meant by "forced in my face".

Simon

I think there has been a huge misunderstanding somewhere

Looks like it - it sounded like you were lumping us both in together with the same misunderstanding when you said "as did (I'm sorry to say) Simon".

And re: the "lifestyle" and "in your face" I agree - there is no gay lifestyle. What I am talking about with the "in your face" context is what you are saying - behavior that is common to any orientation that is just intrusive and obnoxious (not because it's either gay or straight)

Thanks for clarifying.

Curious, what PRECISELY is the definition of "having their lifestyle forced in my face." I'm not sure what is meant by this.

I thought we'd already described it sufficiently. For me it's just being inappropriate. Whether you are gay or straight, I don't want to hear about your sexual activities when I'm not somewhere that a reasonable person would expect to hear things like that. It's especially annoying if people are doing it intentionally to try and shock others (again, whether gay or straight).