Ray Franz df'd , what did the society say ??????

by run dont walk 23 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • run dont walk
    run dont walk

    I remember vaguely, well all hell broke loose in the late 70's regarding, Ray Franz being df'd, and the witch hunt at bethel. I was just a little kid at the time, and didn't pay much attention.

    I know Ray's point of view, from what I've read on this board, and also ordered myself his book "crisis of conscience"(should be a good read)

    I think back now, I remember the event happening, and the speaker talking about it at our circuit assembly, but I don't recall the reasons (BS) he gave. Or how the society, made themselves look justified, I recently threw this in my parents face, and said "how could you believe that crap and not question it, and just go on as you were", well my Mom was speechless, considering I didn't know the exact reasoning from the society's point of view, I played it pretty well.

    She will be calling back, so I better be ready ......... Help please.

  • Brummie
    Brummie

    Run, when we heard about Ray Franz in England back in the early 80s, we were simply told that he had become an apostate, no reasons where given, it was implied that he had gone over to Babylon the great! NO discussion was allowed on the issue and his name was taboo.

    Brummie

    edited to say, come to think of it we didnt know him as Ray Franz, his name was never mentioned, we heard that a nameless Governing body member had apostasized! I didnt know it was Ray Franz until the late 80s.

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    The one and only thing I've ever seen in any WTS publication about RF's "departure" is:

    *** km 8/80 p. 2 Announcements ***

    • This is a notification that Raymond Victor Franz is no longer a member of the Governing Body and of the Brooklyn Bethel family as of May 22, 1980.

    His name was never mentioned again, except for a reference in the Index to this 1980 KM. No explanations of any kind were ever offered. However, the August 1, 1980 Watchtower did have the article Remain "Solid in the Faith" that is very much like the "a couple weeks after the DF announcement" kind of talk: it discusses apostasy more than any other Watchtower article ever printed.

    Craig

  • Wolfgirl
    Wolfgirl

    All I ever remember hearing was that a GB member became an apostate. I did know his name, because someone in our congregation had lots of friends at Bethel.

  • InquiryMan
    InquiryMan

    I vividly remember our Circuit Overseer bringing the edition of "Time" magazine discussing the DF of Franz entitled: Lost Heaven over Dinner (or something along that line) to the Kingdom Hall. He was very agitated, and showed this article around... He was shocked that a GB member could have done this.

  • GermanXJW
    GermanXJW

    I, too, was a kid back then and remember that it was pivately mentioned at the CBS, I guess because of the km announcement. I remember someone saying that this was a sign of the end.

  • blondie
  • InquiryMan
    InquiryMan

    Perhaps, I mix things up, but was there an article in e.g. Newsweek, with another photo? and a title someting along this line: "Lost Heaven over a Dinner" (alluding to the technical proof of his DF, his sharing a meal with an "apostate".)

  • Mr. Kim
    Mr. Kim

    The WTB&TS as already mentioned, never said much. However they did imply bad things by various articles and the R&F gossip line. Which these two worked together at the time.

    INTERESTING CHANGES ARE IN THE WORKS AT THE WATCHTOWER!!!!!

    STAY TUNED!!!!

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    I mentioned C.Of C to the elders - When they were going door to door after I was ousted. They said he was a homosexuel...Well I called Ray & Asked why he would not sue them.... He laughed & said that is not all they say about him. He knows God knows who he is - Couldnt be bothered to encourage them. Years later I went to his home & met his wondeful wife- I would hate to be ANYONE standing before GODs throne on judgement day- for the lies they have said about this wonderful couple......

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