Ray Franz df'd , what did the society say ??????

by run dont walk 23 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • freedom96
    freedom96

    I remember it being said around the hall in hushed tones that the nephew of the president had been df'd.

    I was young then, and always thought the nephew was a young kid off screwing around. Never thought that the man was part of the governing body and much older than I had thought.

  • run dont walk
    run dont walk

    Thanks Blondie, I was looking for that issue.

    Well, mouthy, JW's will say anything, even if they don't have the facts, and they talk about "us" believing rumours.

    Thanks everyone for your comments !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • happy man
    happy man

    Here in sweden this was an unoed thing, only a littel point in KM , that some have to be dfd in brooklyn, and that this was not anything to worry about, beaucause this shall happend in the last days, or something like that.

    It is a bigg surprise to now read hes book and hes story, one thing i have think about, and this is that RF say that it was not independent bibelstudy in Brooklyn, but several others say it was, this is confusing, and when i ask i have no answers.

  • minimus
    minimus

    They said he was an apostate and they did a big house cleaning and got rid of other sympathizers in Bethel. Ask Randy Waters. Or look on his site:FREEMINDS.

  • Goshawk
    Goshawk

    Strange things that the rumor-mills will produce when primed by the society. One conversation that I was privy to was between an elder and his wife. On the return trip from a circuit assembly I had the chance to ride with an elders family. I was a lad about to enter my teens so I guess the conversation was less guarded while traveling. The topic came up why Franz had been disfellowshipped, by the elder’s wife. In answer to the question it was stated that a conflict had ensued after he had requested to use the Watchtower and Awake mailing lists for a list of potential customers for an insurance business. The result of not taking no for an answer had resulted in being tossed out on his arse, so to speak. As a kid there was no way to confirm, refute or even research what I had overheard while quietly riding with the elder’s family.

    MPO is that is was simply rumor. But, indicative of what kind of rumors can perpetuate when the facts are covered up.


    Goshawk

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Goshawk:

    But, indicative of what kind of rumors can perpetuate when the facts are covered up.

    Exactly! As several of you have mentioned here, the "rumor-mongering" that goes on in the WTS is incredible. And that's one of the things that's so insidious about the org: they can send out their CO and DO minions to verbally propagate, or insinuate, all kinds of crap; and if need be come back later and assert "We never said that." Rather like the KM schools where the elders make notes in the margins of their Fleece-the-Flock books--it's not "evidence," but it sure as heck makes a big difference in how they act and what they say when they get home.

    Craig

  • simpleguy
    simpleguy

    lets just abide by the decision of the elders who disfelowshipped him...maybe they have solid basis for doing that..

    for one, they pray before handing down tough decisions like that so i firmly belive it is legit...

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Note how the article in Time links his departure to the 1975 debacle.

    Englishman.

  • Dawn
    Dawn

    lets just abide by the decision of the elders who disfelowshipped him...maybe they have solid basis for doing that..

    for one, they pray before handing down tough decisions like that so i firmly belive it is legit...

    LMAO........I hope you were kidding......you were kidding right?? if not...sorry - hope I didn't offend you.

  • Emma
    Emma

    I've wondered how the older men who were forced out ot Brooklyn are doing. If they were Bethel lifers there would have been no Social Security for retirement (not the SS is enough to live on). Does anyone know what the situation is?

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