The Watchtower Society and Corporate Manslaughter

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nilfun

The deaths of children due to the blood doctine are on the heads of all of us who believed, all of us who went to meetings and accepted the blood cards, all of us who gave talks or comments at the meetings citing the Biblical support the blood doctrine has, all of us who passively went along or worse disagreed but remained silent etc. I say this because the children and their parents saw a great crowd of people both locally and around the world who were, or seemed to be, in full agreement with the Jehovah's Witness blood doctrine, surely in their minds this added strong support for their own beliefs.

I believe that smearing almost every single XJW with the blood of dead children is wrong.
We were wrong. The Watchtower was wrong and so were we.

Do the rank&file share the same degree of culpability?
Do you think that a female whose elder father has been raping her on a regular basis is really going to defy him if he tells her to sign it or else? I guess the blood of countless children is on her head too, eh?
izobcenec

The right word for JW's is pseudo religion in my opinion...
nicolaou

Extreme religious practices such as animal sacrifice etc. are not allowed in the U.S. And yet extreme religous practices such as child sacrifice achieved through the witholding of necessary medical treatments are! How could you post that statement without feeling ashamed?
Religion in general should be free to practice its theology though. Without freedom of religion there is no freedom at all. This is a fallacious argument. I have not once argued for religion to be banned (though worse things could happen). The loss of freedom to practice a few extreme religous practices would only hurt the abusers. In most civilised countries drivers do not have the freedom to drive their vehicles above 20-30mph through residential areas. They do not have the freedom to drink a six-pack of wicked strength lager and then get behind the wheel.
Is this denial of freedom reasonable? Of course it is because it is for the public good and protection of innocent life! FREEDOM IS NOT ABSOLUTE!
Information, information, information is the key to the control of religions. True. To exact a strict majority rule type of governmental control on religion is to risk another kind of tyranny upon people, a dictatorial government. Who is asking for that? This thread is suggesting that a law on Corporate Manslaughter could be applied to the Watchtower Society - nothing more. People should be free to believe and worship as they please. REALLY?!! Should the child sacrificing cults of Africa be free to worship as they please? In the name of freedom of worship, should 8-day-old baby boys have their foreskins sliced from their penis? Should vaginal mutilation (female circumcision where the clitoris is sewn up) be allowed because "People should be free to believe and worship as they please." When a particular religious practice is found or thought to be illegal, then the courts convene to decide the matter in accord with the Constitution. A religious practice is not found to be illegal. It is deemed to be unnaceptable. Legislation is then passed which subsequently defines it to be illegal. Watchtower blood (and shunning) policy is, in my opinion, unnacceptable. It should be defined as illegal - one day soon I hope it will be.
If the religious practice is found to be legal under the Constitution it is then an allowed practice. The JW blood doctrine has not been declared unconstitutional in our country. I firmly believe it never will be. Majority rule must always allow the minorities their voice a voice yes, freedom to promote fatal doctrine, no and place in society, otherwise true freedom dies.
Information is the key to keeping religion in its proper place.
Gerard
No Apologies

IW,
Your question proves in and of itself that many of the xJW lead posters have done a good job of hood winking the xJW community into thinking the JWs are not a religion but only an organization, this is false. Yes, the JWs are a religion. They are a religion in every sense of the word.
I never said they weren't. I asked what made you believe the Watchtower Society is a religous entity. The Watchtower society is merely a printing company that happens to print material used by Jehovah's Witnesses in their religion.
Your response proves in and of itself that many JWs and xJWs make no distinction between the religion known as Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Pennsylvania, etc etc.
Perhaps it has escaped your attention, but the religous and corporate ends have been moving further apart over the years. Most notably two years ago when the Governing Body resigned en masse as officers of the various corporations used by Jehovah's Witnesses. If the printing of the literature is outsourced at some point, as some predict, this separation will continue to grow.
nicolaou

Home secretary David Blunkett said:
'There is great public concern at the criminal law's lack of success in convicting companies of manslaughter where a death has occurred due to gross negligence by the organisation as a whole.'
If you think the Home Office should be encouraged to include charities within the framework of this new legislation, write to them using the contacts below.
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nicolaou

Is the Watchtower Society just a religious organisation or are we entitled to label it as a Corporation - a business. Here is the entry from Companies House (UK) for the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of Britain. I cannot believe that a law on Corporate Manslaughter could somehow bypass a Company with a date of incorporation such as this.

nicolaou

As I understand it, this is Section 30 of the Companies Act which applies to the WTB&TS of Britain;

Recognition of supervisory bodies and professional qualifications

Supervisory bodies.

30.?(1) In this Part a "supervisory body" means a body established in the United Kingdom (whether a body corporate or an unincorporated association) which maintains and enforces rules as to?

(a) the eligibility of persons to seek appointment as company auditors, and

(b) the conduct of company audit work,which are binding on persons seeking appointment or acting as company auditors either because they are members of that body or because they are otherwise subject to its control.

(2) In this Part references to the members of a supervisory body are to the persons who, whether or not members of the body, are subject to its rules in seeking appointment or acting as company auditors.

(3) In this Part references to the rules of a supervisory body are to the rules (whether or not laid down by the body itself) which the body has power to enforce and which are relevant for the purposes of this Part.

This includes rules relating to the admission and expulsion of members of the body, so far as relevant for the purposes of this Part.

(4) In this Part references to guidance issued by a supervisory body are to guidance issued or any recommendation made by it to all or any class of its members or persons seeking to become members which would, if it were a rule, fall within subsection (3).

(5) The provisions of Parts I and II of Schedule 11 have effect with respect to the recognition of supervisory bodies for the purposes of this Part.

The Watchtower Society and Corporate Manslaughter

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