by Hamas 48 Replies latest social current
LOL
if thats not dubla trying to pull another powell!
Israel's Foreign Minister has said his country will not accept a ceasefire from Palestinian militant groups unless the Palestinian Authority then dismantles them.
if this does not back what hamas said than what does?
realist-
are you suggesting my sources arent credible? i mean, i know its not the bbc, but come on. im not sure what date your quote is from, but the ceasefire was already agreed upon, which dashes your and hamas' claims. again, this is from today:
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah announced Sunday they would stop attacks on Israelis temporarily. As a result, Israeli forces have pulled out of northern Gaza and transferred control of Bethlehem in the West Bank to Palestinians. Israeli officials have indicated they will hand over control of more Palestinian territory if the cease-fire holds.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/03/mideast/index.html
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realist-
also, how does your quote back the statement that the israelis are "prepared to continue targeting more innocent Palestinians in the region."??
who shot first during the ceasefire? can you tell me that?
as far as your quote goes:
Israel's Foreign Minister has said his country will not accept a ceasefire from Palestinian militant groups unless the Palestinian Authority then dismantles them.
thats called a condition of a ceasefire, and i certainly dont think thats an unreasonable condition, do you? heres another quote to look at:
The road map, drafted by the United States, United Nations, European Union and Russia, calls for a Palestinian state by 2005. Incremental steps include Palestinians clamping down on terror groups and Israel dismantling illegal settlement outposts built since March 2001.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/03/mideast/index.html
you see, these were the conditions........the palestinians dismantle the terrorist groups, and the israelis dimantle the settlements......how is that unfair, in your mind?
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dubla,
i was referring to your hairsplitting strategy.
also hamas original post was not from today but from a week ago. and at least back than i saw on TV and read on the net that israel rejected the truce from the militant groups as insufficient.
PS: i am sure your quotes are ok.
realist-
this thread started on the 29th, and the first full day of the truce was on the 30th, so surely hamas' statement about israel continuing to target "innocent palestinians" rather than call a ceasefire was a fabrication. maybe you missed gerards post of links? here you go:
BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3032462.stm
ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030630_1619.html
CNN News: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/30/mideast/index.html
MSNBC News: http://www.msnbc.com/news/801833.asp?0dm=C11KN
Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,90725,00.html
Le Figaro: http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/
Le Monde: http://www.lemonde.fr/
and since im now being accused of "splitting hairs", lets look at one passage from the second link there.
The first full day of the truce was marred by a Palestinian shooting that killed a Bulgarian construction worker on an Israeli road project near the West Bank town of Yabed.
now, again, who was really rejecting this truce?
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dubla,
the militant palestinian groups offered a truce. the israeli government rejected on the same day.
the israeli military has killed way more civilians in the arab territories than hamas etc. killed in israel since the second start of the intifada. trying to kill a hamas leader and "accidentially" killing 20 civilians can be viewed as targeting civilians. also destroying the family houses of palestinians because one of their sons has committed an attack can be viewed as targeting civilians. (the strategy of targeting families of offenders is by the way illegal).
lastly...one cannot prevent all arab attacks since it would require to control every arab in the area. the attack you listed was by the way on arab ground (west bank). the israelis have no right to work on a road project there.
There can never be a "truce" with the Palestinian militants. Time and again all they've done is rebuilt their organization and attacked Israelis. Until the PA takes down the terrorists there will be no peace. What Hamas and Realist seem to NOT understand is that the majority of Palestinians want peace, not more blood shed. The majority is held hostage by terrorists. Humus and UNRealist are good mouth pieces for terror. Dubla has shown the links that support the position that Israel is seeking some type of peace, as the PA seems to be doing, but it seems the Terror groups are having a hard time coming to grips with the new reality that people want peace.
UNRealist has justified the outright COLD BLOODED MURDER of a Bulgarian worker on a road crew building a road in the West Bank that would benefit the Palestinians (should peace ever come). With people like Humus and UNRealist in the world, it's a wonder peace ever has a chance.
yeru,
again you fail to see who is the agressor in this conflict. israel has a historic guilt on its shoulders and therefore has to make the first step towards peace. building settlements in occupied territories does NOT have anything to do with securing peace. therefore israel would have to remove the settlements completely first.
also ... i am sure the palestinians want peace but most likely not according to israeli conditions.
UNRealist,
No, the aggressors in this were the Arabs that rejected a two state solution offered by the United Nations and attacked Israel, who did accept the two state solution. Further, the aggressors were the Arabs when they used the West Bank and Gaza to attack Israel repeatedly thereby making the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza necessary. You never address those issues. I've been on the record as saying Israel's policy of building new settlements is mistaken and should end. They have made some concessions in this area tearing down a few of the unauthroized new settlements. Not enough mind you, but they show they are willing to work. For Israel, the over riding concern is it's security. Until the Terrorists are dealt with, there can be no peace. Israel's conditions are pretty simple, GET RID OF THE DAMNED TERRORISTS< RESPECT OUR BORDERS AND OUR RIGHT TO EXIST! That's ALL Israel wants, and it seems to be the one thing the PA doesn't want to do.
yeru,
if there is someone refusing to address an issue than it is you! what happened to the israeli propaganda thread of yours??? you went awfully silent after me posting the UN numbers and the maps! shall i post them here again???
you blame the arabs for being against the division of palestine in 48. have you looked at the maps??? can you blame them for refusing such an insane partition? several districts were inhabited by over 90-98% arabs!
furthermore israel occupied further territories after the war annexing them right away (thereby displaying gross disrespect to any international law - by the way this took place only a few years after WWII in which germany was accused of exactly the same thing).
do you blame the french and russians etc. to committ attacks against the germans in WWII?
as long as israel does not apologize for this unbelievable injustice and does not compensate the arabs they cannot expect the arabs to like them.
also the settlements are in violation of international law - there is absolutely NO justification for them!
