Made from Monkeys or from Dirt

Satanus

The bible states mankind was made by god from plain old dirt. Science however, has shown that we are in the nieghborhood of 98% monkey (chimpanzee). Was god lazy, in that he didn't start from scratch in making people, but used animal parts to assemble the human body? If so, how can we call ourselves human? Yet, the bible states that we're made in god's image.

On the other hand, i haven't been convinced of self directed or random macro evolution. It's not happening now, and i'm not sure if the archeological record proves it, although it can be concluded that it must have happened that way. I say this because all the animal kinds appear to have evolved from lower organisms. However, the question as to what was the cause of this jumping to higher levels, as well as what caused humans to develop from the same ancestor from which chimps developed, has not been answered. Was it matter itself? Was it a temporary electromagnetic field or an energy entity? Maybe it's unanswerable. Whatever it was hasn't elaborated.

SS

Hamas

I vote dirt.

I might walk like a monkey, but I certainly didn't evolve from one

( In my opinion )

Scientists spend too much time sleeping on white furry rugs, made in Taiwan at cheap forced labour style prices .

AlanF

Hello SS,

: The bible states mankind was made by god from plain old dirt.

Monkeys are basically made of dirt, too.

: Yet, the bible states that we're made in god's image.

Put two and two together here.

: On the other hand, i haven't been convinced of self directed or random macro evolution.

On what level? The fossil record is crystal clear: irrespective of the underlying cause, plant and animal populations have most certainly evolved through time. Dinosaurs used to dominate the earth; today mammals dominate. That's one level of evolution.

The other level involves the cause of this evolution. It could be that it's entire directed by standard evolutionary causes. Perhaps God or some other superior power directed it. Perhaps there are causes we know nothing about.

: It's not happening now,

Who says?

: and i'm not sure if the archeological record proves it,

Well it does. Just check out the latest finds of fossil man, such as in Spain. In general, the farther back you go in time, the closer human remains look to ape remains. It goes by fits and starts, but that's still strong evidence for evolution -- whether directed by natural selection and so forth, or by an intelligent designer.

: although it can be concluded that it must have happened that way. I say this because all the animal kinds appear to have evolved from lower organisms.

Precisely.

: However, the question as to what was the cause of this jumping to higher levels, as well as what caused humans to develop from the same ancestor from which chimps developed, has not been answered.

Exactly what I've said above. Except that science is in general not allowed to postulate supernatural causes for physical phenomena. Doesn't mean there aren't supernatural causes, but just that science is not able to deal with it very well.

AlanF

Satanus

Alanf

Practitioners of acupuncture know that matter (in the body) follows energy. If evolution drivers are external, then perhaps they are of a very subtle, or of a temporary nature. If they are within matter, then they are well hidden. Either way, it could have been energy that was responsible.

The spain digs sound interesting.

SS

Nathan Natas

It's obvious - God is dirt.

"Dirt is everywhere - it surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the universe together, filing the etherial voids..."

AlanF

: Practitioners of acupuncture know that matter (in the body) follows energy.

No they don't. Acupuncturists have no clue as to why their methods work. Furthermore, they only work sometimes and on some people. I know, because my wife had acupuncture treatments from a prominent local practioner and, after a few sessions, nothing whatsoever happened, which leads me to conclude that the little benefit my wife thought she got the first few times was the placebo effect.

What does it mean, that "matter follows energy"? Sorry, but this sounds meaninglessly New-Agey to me.

: If evolution drivers are external, then perhaps they are of a very subtle, or of a temporary nature.

That much is obvious by the fact that biologists still argue about a number of precise mechanisms for evolution.

: If they are within matter, then they are well hidden.

That's for sure.

: Either way, it could have been energy that was responsible.

Well, in a very fundamental sense, "energy" is responsible for all changes in the universe. So this isn't saying anything useful.

AlanF

Satanus

NN

Hmmm, the bible does say we came from dirt and we return to dirt ...

God is dirt.
"Dirt is everywhere

Ok, that makes the dirt god omnipresent. But what about omniscience? Does the dirt god know everything?

SS

Hamas

It knows Amsterdam pretty well

Nathan Natas

Saint Satan asked,

"But what about omniscience? Does the dirt god know everything?"

Yes. According to the as-yet-undeveloped theory of TransDimensional Quantum Information Interchange, anything known to one particle of dirt at one end of the universe is known simultaneously by all particles of dirt throughout the universe, and it has been that way since 1919.

By the way, the "dirt god" has a name, just as you and I have names.

Would you like to know what the dirt god's name is?

It is Hoover, and we are Hoover's Witnessezes - we bear Witness to what Hoover Sez.

Francois

"Doesn't mean there aren't supernatural causes, but just that science is not able to deal with it very well."

Now we're getting somewhere. When science is better able to deal with quantuum physics, we will make great leaps at closing the gaps existing between the purely physical and the purely immaterial.

IMO

Made from Monkeys or from Dirt

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