by SYN 27 Replies latest jw friends
lmao! Great experience... maybe they should invite you to a district convention to give your experience in field ministry.
It has been years since I have talked to anyone at my door. Aside from not answering the door, I have decided that a good way to get rid of them is to make them promise that any time they spend talking to me cannot be reported.
Earthquake link:
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstats.html
I haven't read the site fully, but I would guess that the rate of low-magnitude quakes is going up because we are getting better at detecting them. 1995 was a banner year.
Syn, great experience! It made me laugh....
Unfortunately there is no way we'd ever be called on at this point. Everyone in the area knows us. Unless we move we will probably never be visited by the JWs.
OMG that was so deft. You danced circles around them. Great going.
Hubby kept wondering what I was giggling about
waiting for Part 2
"But your own literature states that those who don't convert to your faith will perish at Armageddon!""But good-hearted people will survive the end!"
"So then what's the point of witnessing to them?"
Another thing I asked was was they weren't helping the world's poor by donating them food etc, like the Catholic Church, to which the Sister replied that they did help the poor by preaching the Good News of the Kingdom, so I said, "So, instead of food, you're giving them magazines?" "Oh no, we're giving them the hope of everlasting life!" "But, in the interim, while they're dreaming about everlasting life, they're starving?" No response to that one!
Great! I love it!!!!
I hope I'm this witty when the Jw's come to my door.
Great tips guys!
BTW, when I said "leather", I really meant "denim", argh! This is was just one of those hurried lunchtime posts where I didn't read it through before posting Will reply to everyone tomorrow...must run...
Great job. Have them bring the 11/8/2002 Awake and look at the Letter from Readers section. They try to do a dance around the earthquake "problem."
For the earthquake stuff, you can check out Carl Olof Jonsson's Sign of the Last Days. It takes each of those signs, one-by-one (famines, earthquakes, disease, war, etc), and shows how the JWs have exagerated and lied. It's a great book with lots of documentation and references. But, being that the author is an ex-JW, the information is mostly targeted right at JW literature. So, if you're not careful, you could tip them off. By the way, his other book, Gentile Times Reconsidered debunks the whole Babylonian 607 thing and 1914 and I recommend it as well, though that is a bit harder read. Last Days is a lot lighter and even enjoyable, seeing the overwhelming documentation against them. I'm sure they're available elsewhere, but freeminds.org has them. And, the earthquake chapter can be found online at: http://www.preteristarchive.com/dEmEnTiA/jonsson-herbst_dd_01.html
Another thing to look at is the US Geological Society's site. Check out http://earthquake.usgs.gov/ I clicked on the EQ Facts and Lists tab, then magnitude and intensity, then an article called "Are earthquakes really on the increase?" The direct link is http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/general/increase_in_earthquakes.html Can't find it now, but at one time I downloaded a list that contained earthquakes going back to the late 1800's. Whenever I debate them, I like to use neutral sites to avoid setting off the apostate radar. And if it's a neutral, non-religious site, they may actually look into it.
Another thing is that the WTS more-or-less admitted that earthquakes weren't on the rise. I think it was in an Awake from March of last year. From what I remember, they acknowledged that scientists say that there has been no increase in earthquakes. And while not coming right out and saying they agree, they do seem to have a BUT in there. BUT (as if to say "yup, that's true, BUT"), Jesus didn't say any one thing had to be on a grand scale (more war, more disease, more earthquakes). He just said that all those signs would be occuring. Which totally goes in the face of all of their claims over several decades. They've always said things have increased since 1914, not just that you'd have all of these things happening at once. So, as long as there's earthquakes someplace, starving someplace else, a war someplace else, and disease someplace else, the end is coming. When in history hasn't that been true?
ROFLMFAO!!! Syn, that was great, I don't know how the hell you kept a straight face!!
If you told them that you "studied" different religions in college or university, I think one of the best points you could "gently" raise, is their erroneous claim that Jerusaem fell (don't say "destroyed" as it might be a give away that you were a Dub) in 607 BC (don't use "BCE" either, cause that's another give away), when all the biblical, archeological and historical records show that it fell in 586/587 BC. You'll have to do some research and here's an excellent link: http://www.caic.org.au/jws/predictions/607bce.htm
Without that date of 607BCE, the Witnesses whole chronology is off by 20 years, which would mean that Jesus did NOT start "ruling invisibly" in 1914, nor did Jehovah appoint the feckless and indiscreet slave class in 1919. If he didn't appoint them, then that would mean that these grumpy old men in Brooklyn have no biblical basis for assuming the role of this Slave Class.
This, IMHO, is the whole basis for the religion existing as it is: the unquestioning and loyal worship, I mean, obedience to these guys at Bethel. Without that date, then the whole structure of the religion is called in to question, which is why Freddie Franz went absolutely ballistic when Ray Franz showed him that this date was wrong. Fred wasn't the slightest bit interested in the fact that they were promoting a false date, all he cared about was that his authority would be called into question if this information about 607 BCE was brought to light.
Most Witnesses have not a clue that there's any controversy over this date at all; they simply accept it as fact and if they hear anything about 586 BCE, they simply dismiss it as "worldly error."
Anyhoo, if they actually show up again, I'd be amazed, but for sure keep us posted as to what happens!!
Ah, an excellent fight. Very good.
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