yizuman--------- That's a pretty good theory you have there . I don't think ,however, that God will step in to defend the nation of earthly Israel those people cannot be counted as part of the Israel of God that the apostles spoke of because they do not practice christianity . This scripture can be tied to the Daniel 12 prophesy as far as the great time of distress and God intervening in behalf of the chosen ones . I have for many years theorized that a nuclear holocaust would be the ultimate scenario for the judgement that Jesus will bring against the nations .
Gog of the Land of Magog ?
by Blueblades 12 Replies latest jw friends
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Yizuman
yizuman--------- That's a pretty good theory you have there . I don't think ,however, that God will step in to defend the nation of earthly Israel those people cannot be counted as part of the Israel of God that the apostles spoke of because they do not practice christianity . This scripture can be tied to the Daniel 12 prophesy as far as the great time of distress and God intervening in behalf of the chosen ones . I have for many years theorized that a nuclear holocaust would be the ultimate scenario for the judgement that Jesus will bring against the nations .
Ok, can you explain these passages and where will they come from during this period in what we call the 7 Year Tribulation Period?
k Revelation 7144,000 Sealed
1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.Revelation 14
The Lamb and the 144,000
1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.*Oh, by the way, note on verse 4 where it says these 144,000 are those who did not defile themselves with women! Meaning they are male virgins! Now let's look at the present day so called "anointed ones", how many of them are married and many of them are also women!!!
Now this verse takes place after the thousand year reign of Christ in Revelations Ch 21
Revelation 21 12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel.
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yizuman------- Noone can trace their blood line so far back , it is possible that alot of gentiles are related to the early israelites . IMO any promise that God made to the ancient israelites was fullfilled with the coming of the messiah . The WT does teach that the 12 tribes in revelations are only symbolic and you only have to be a practicing jehovah witness to qualify . Their reasoning is the apostles wrote about the israel of God which isn't the same as being an ethnic group but only pertained to the obedient followers of christianity. I did challenge their belief that women can be included in this group and was instantly demonized by the book study conductor. There is no command in the bible for women to publicly preach the message of the messianic kingdom but I could find plenty of scripture that say it is a requirement for men in order to obtain salvation . The apostle John used the term virgin symbolically , virgin ( pure worship ) harlot ( apostates ) .I do agree tho that the part about did not defile themselves with women kinda adds emphisis on the physical virgin part because I would think it would be more did not defile themselves with the great harlot or something like that but the idiot I studied with insisted that it meant false religion.