How do you manage your money?

by Billygoat 20 Replies latest jw friends

  • Jourles
    Jourles

    There is much that you can do but probably the most beneficial way of overcoming long-term debt and "getting ahead" would be to buy a house. Even with a high debt-to-income ratio, you may still qualify for an FHA loan. Low to a no down payment is also possible with an FHA. If you happen to have a couple to several thousand dollars tucked away, try contacting a few mortgage lenders to see what they can do for your particular situation. Don't worry about getting a super-sized house to keep up with the Jones'. Find one that fits the two of you, is in a good neighborhood, and shows a good history of appreciation year over year in price.

    Once you have lived in your house for a few years, get it appraised and see if a line of credit or second mortgage is possible to be taken out on it. If so, use that credit to pay off your high-interest credit cards and then cut them up and cancel them keeping only one or two of them. The interest paid on both the home loan and line of credit(second mortgage) is tax deductible. Something you will never be able to do with normal interest on credit cards.

    Face it. Ask yourself how much you throw away pay in rent each month and then figure out if that money could go towards buying a home instead. Chances are it could be the same amount you are paying right now if not less. And with mortgage rates at a 50 year low right now, DO NOT waste anymore time putting it off. You may think that you cannot afford a home, but get in touch with a REAL LIVE human to find out what options you have. Don't bother using websites to see if you qualify if you have a substantial debt-to-income ratio and live paycheck to paycheck. They will probably just turn you down and add black marks to your credit report. See a real person.

  • hippikon
    hippikon

    Buy Land - Lotsa Land

  • expatbrit
    expatbrit

    Hello Andi:

    One of the most effective ways of increasing your savings is by what you could term "invisible savings". You see, it is much harder to get the money, and then have to not spend it and put it away somewhere. A better way is to not get the money in your mits in the first place.

    One of the easiest ways of doing this in the corporate world is to set up an automatic deduction from your salary payment into your retirement fund or investment account (in the US it's a 401(k), right?). A very good time to do this is the next time you get a raise. Work out the amount of extra money you'll be getting, and then get it automatically redirected before you see it. Your standard of life wont have to change, but you'll start accumulating savings. It works.

    Expatbrit

  • Kaethra
    Kaethra

    Very brave post Billygoat...considering how unwilling most people are to talk about their financial situation.

    I'd like to respond to each of your questions:

    Do any of you find yourselves struggling because you never learned to save?

    Not struggling per se, but wishing that I'd begun saving and spending less a lot sooner.

    Was the impending doom of Armageddon a factor in how you spent money?

    Not until I left the cult while still believing in it. I thought that I was going to be toast at any moment, so I'd better live it up now! (It's been about three years since I felt that way...learned all about the Lie since then.)

    Did you abuse credit because it would get cleared in the New System?

    No. I thought I wouldn't be around in the "New System". See above. (Although, in a sense, I guess I would have been cleared of my debt. lol)

    Do you think it is for JWs today? Or is it different from when I was a kid?

    I think many jws mismanage their money. I'm not really sure if they do so more than the average person though...there are loads of people out there who've never been jws who are totally clueless about money...in fact, I'd say that the majority of people are downright stupid when it comes to money management.

    As far as jws today...hmmm....well, my family members are all very much into the stock market, mutual funds, equity investments, etc. That wasn't the case when I was growing up. I think that the change in the teaching about the generation of 1914 has had a real impact in this regard.

    Did your parents teach you good finance management habits?

    In many ways, yes. They taught by example. They never bought anything that they could not afford to pay for right away...even vehicles, which they always bought used. If they used a credit card, they used it only out of convenience. Credit card bills were always paid on time and in full every month. The only exception to that rule was the mortgage on the house. Before I left the borg, I was only working part-time and I still managed to save quite a substantial amount...an amount that I have not seen in a savings account of mine since. Then again, I was a good little dub at the time...what the heck did I have to spend my money on? lol

    What are some things you’ve done to teach yourself new spending habits? (I mean practical little things.)

    Other than realizing that Jehoover isn't going to strike me dead any day you mean? I have a couple:

    Keep a budget - even a simplified one is great. I use an Excel spreadsheet to track what I spend in general terms so that I know whether or not I'm meeting my own savings goals. I have formulae everywhere in the spreadsheet so I know if I spend more than I should in one area, I have to compensate elsewhere. (It's kind of depressing to look at sometimes, but it does the trick.) The great thing about it is that if you project it month by month for a year or two, you can really see your money in savings adding up to a nice, tidy little sum.

    Never use a credit card to buy meals or drinks....or more to the point, never take a credit card with you when you are out for a few drinks!

    Any recommendations in terms of how to clear debt?

    You could see a credit counsellor. Make sure you go to one that doesn't charge anything for their services though. They can help to lower the interest rates on the credit cards you are paying off....sometimes even eliminating the interest altogether. Just be advised that if you are up-to-date on your payments, going through a credit counsellor *may* adversely affect your credit rating.

    Any recommendations on how to GET MOTIVATED and STAY DISCIPLINED?

    I find the projected budget does wonders for me. I can see the numbers grow and grow...and/or shrink and shrink when I put in extra expenses for things I don't really need.

    That's about it from me!

  • zeena1998
    zeena1998

    Hi Andi,

    Btw, I love your name! I have never been good with money...EVER! But I did catch this one piece of advice years ago and to me it makes lots of good cents sense. The premise of it is very simple but I do think that it takes some getting used to. What you do first is list all of your outstanding bills (mtge, rent excluded) from lowest owed to highest, then in another column, put in the max you can pay on each (I always like to round up to a neat dollar amount ie: if it's $75.00/mth, I'll go to 80 or even 100 if it's possible). Add up that column and that's your outstanding debt. As the lowest items get paid off, you check them off your list BUT (and this is the clincher) you don't reduce your monthly payments. What you do is re-allocate your total amount to the next lowest item (and to all the rest of course). I really hope I'm explaining this properly...it really does work!

    Andie

    PS: The other really good piece of advice I've ever gotten was to set up a separate account where you put in a little bit each pay. It's amazing how you don't really miss that 25 or 50 dollars a pay. Every once and awhile, I would simply HAVE to buy something frivolous and that account afforded me that luxery, luxary, oh crap! It afforded me to be able to do just that!!

  • LDH
    LDH

    Andi,

    My husband is unbelievable at managing money! I've taken a lot from him. Lessons, not money! (Oh never mind, I admit it, I've taken a lot of money too!)

    Myself, I hate "managing" money, so I "automate" all of my payments. Including savings. My company matches up to 10% of my salary (a generous amount). By the time I'm 40, I'll personally have a ton in savings. The earlier you start saving, the less you have to save to reach your financial goals. Does your employer have a savings plan? Deduct the maximum--you won't miss it if since you will have to get used to having a smaller paycheck.

    PAY YOURSELF FIRST.

    In my early twenties I would have to say I agreed with Jessica Rabbit--I thought the word 'budget' meant you were poor! Now I think just the opposite. Because of having a budget and sticking to it, we've made some great financial moves and we're totally not stressed about money. We have an emergency fund which we've dipped into a few times.

    We live within our means, althogh by most standards we are considered rich. Until this year, we owned two houses but sold one (investment property in New Jersey) but are now seriously considering buying an investment property here in CA. Something like a multi-unit apartment complex. My husband drives a 98 Concorde and I drive a 95 Grand Prix. I *might* buy a new SUV in the spring, but dammit, my Grand Prix has NEVER given me one second of a problem and it's only got 85K miles on it. Why should I get rid of it? It's been paid off for years, and that's money we just keep socking away. We're both very good about not needing a "brand new car" or designer clothes etc. etc.

    I hope for both of us to be fully retired by the time my husband is 55/I'm 45 (That's 11 years). I think this goal is reasonable. I think I am very lucky to have found someone who has been focused on making sound financial decisions since young adulthood. I've learned that I can't put off planning for my financial future because I think Armegeddon is around the corner. Thank DOG my husband was not raised a JW.

    If your hubby is not good at this stuff like mine is, may I make a suggestion? Look in the Yellow Pages for a Certified Financial Planner--not a Sales Rep, but someone who will charge you a modest amount like $150-$300 to review your financial status and design a plan. This person needs you to lay ALL your cards on the table and not be embarrased. This person will teach you about the Law of 7 and other tricks for becoming financially independent. You will probably meet with this person every couple of months for about $50 to assess that you are following your plan. It is a worthwhile move.

    Lisa

    On the road to Financial Independence Class

  • donkey
    donkey

    You will get many different answers to this question...most of them are wrong (look at the outcomes and measure the results for yourself).

    First off you have to ask the right questions and get the right perspectives. If you have a job and work for money who are you doing it for? Hopefully you turn around and say: “I am doing it for ME” and not “I am doing for XYZ credit card company”. That being said if the reality of where your money is being spent is on paying creditors you have effectively given up your time to work for someone else only to have them pay someone else and NOT you.

    I have helped a few people get out of debt by using the following method which accelerates the removal of debt and eventually becomes a savings/investment plan.

    In order to pay off debts you have to pick the right ones to pay off first. Which are those? Make a list of the debts you have and sort the list in descending order by interest rate (the highest interest rate first throught the lowest interest rate). Let’s take an example:

    Suppose you have 5 accounts A, B, C, D and E. Suppose the rate for A is 10%, B is 12%, C is 12%, D is 18% and E is 9%.

    Sort them as follows:

    D, B,C,A,E

    Lets say further that the minimum payment on each is $200 and lets say you can afford to save $200 per month. So you pay the minimum on B,C,A,E but pay for D you pay off $400 per month unti it is paid off. You then take that $400 per month and apply it to the next debt which happens to be B – so you are paying off $400 + $200 (you had to pay off the minimum on B anyway) and you keep going like this until you have all your debts paid off in this manner. Once they are all cleared you now have $1,200 per month to save/invest which was previously being used to rent a lifestyle.

    It takes time and discipline but many have done it and many have gone on to reap the rewards. You work for YOU not for some lousy creditor. It is up to YOU to ensure that YOU see the rewards for your efforts. We have all been in tough situations before and most have been in debt – unfortuantely most of us never learn to get out and stay out of debt and will die poor having had a miserable old age because we don’t have the resources to take care of ourselves.

    I could go on for ever on this subject, mortgages, investing asset protection but I feel this board is not the place for this and I do not want to be responsible for the actions of others.

    Jack

  • La Capra
    La Capra

    Do whatever is necessary to buy your home. Even if you have to eat KV (I haven't had that since I was 3, it's not available in California) for dinner three times a week-it is necessary to STOP CONTRIBUTING TO YOUR LANDLORD'S INVESTMENTS. I love people like you, you pay my mortgage on my rental properties and I get all the tax breaks, free property, and appreciation on the houses. Don't wait until you get your debt reduced. It won't matter. "No down payment" is an option (higher rates, but not prohibitive), and some people even roll all their student loans, consumer loans and auto loans into the mortgages. With two incomes, decent credit (it's not about how much you owe, it's about whether you make payments on time),and a dedicated mortgage broker, moving into your own house by the end of September could be a reality. (Real estate agents know the more reputable mortgage brokers, insurance agents know the better real estate agents). For my first property, I had a very modest down payment, and from waking one morning and deciding it was time, to moving into the property, it took 29 days. A good friend of mine was able to get a mortgage for his first house 6 months after filing bankruptcy. He also moved in in about a month (we both bought houses that were already empty-making the owners happy about really short escrow times). If we could do it on single teachers salaries (3rd year teacher for me), in the San Francisco Bay Area, then you could definitely do it on double "corporate" salaries. Once you get the other debt paid off, you can start putting that money into more property, or retirement accounts. Good luck and Good Funding, Shoshana

  • lisaBObeesa
    lisaBObeesa
    If we could do it on single teachers salaries (3rd year teacher for me), in the San Francisco Bay Area,

    I live in Sunnyvale and all I can say is: wow! Good job!

  • searchfothetruth
    searchfothetruth

    What money?

    I'd be happy if I had any to manage!

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