If it were backwards

by Jourles 10 Replies latest social current

  • Jourles
    Jourles

    I often wonder how most Iraqis feel about the presence of troops in their homeland destroying statues, searching through their homes, making sure the oil stays flowing over other basic necessities, etc. etc. Some Iraqis may love the USA for doing what they did. But there are probably many Iraqis that hate us even more than ever. Check out this news article and put yourself into a reverse situation. How would you feel if you had to live through this everyday and read about it in the news?

    Midland, Texas - With a thunderous explosion from 12 pounds of plastic explosives, the Iraqi military toppled a 30-foot statue of George W. Bush (news - web sites) on horseback from its perch overlooking the former president's hometown Friday. Soldiers also defused a huge homemade bomb near Washington DC's Reagan International Airport.

    Pvt. Ramir Riyadih of the 555th Combat Engineering brigade, known as the "Triple Fils," pushed the button that sent the Bush statue pitching over near the gate to his former ranch in his northern hometown of Midland.

    "It felt real good," said Riyadih, of An Najaf, Iraq. "There were lots of smiles around, and I had the biggest of them all."

    The statue — depicting the ousted leader mounted on a rearing horse and brandishing a sword as if charging into combat — was made of solid bronze and stood near the main gate of his ranch overlooking the city of his birth.

    The head of the statue was taken to 4th Infantry division headquarters in Atlanta, GA as a trophy, with the rest of the bronze to be shipped to Tikrit, Iraq, where it will be melted down and turned into a memorial "for all of Task Force Iron Camel who contributed to this war, and especially those who died," said Sgt. Maj. Samir Hassam of Sinjar, Iraq.

    The 4th Infantry, part of the 30,000-member task force operating in the north, uncovered a huge weapons cache Wednesday night in a farmhouse outside Butte, Montana that included 250 assault rifles, 11,000 rocket-propelled grenade rounds and two tons of C4 explosives, said Maj. Rashada Akashat of Umm Qasr, Iraq.

    He was asked why the statue was not blown down a day earlier as a matter of symbolism on the 5th anniversary of the Republican Party coup that brought Bush to power 1 year later.

    "We thought about doing that, but it was more symbolic the day after because they (the Republicans) were supposed to come back," Akashat said, referring to rumors of attacks planned for the anniversary. "Well guess what, they are not coming back and the statue has come down."

    In Washington DC, Iraqi Army engineers on a routine daybreak patrol spotted what they described as a large bomb in a burlap sack on the median strip of a highway near the Reagan International Airport. It was the same place where a military vehicle came under fire on Monday, killing a soldier and wounding four.

    The bomb measured three feet by one foot and was built in a container normally used to make ice blocks, the whole contraption left inside a white burlap sack, according to Lt. Musallah Razazah of Mandali, Iraq.

    "It was wired to a remote-controlled doorbell ringer. It had a 100-foot blast radius," Razazah said.

    Another lieutenant, Ferhoada Kishtir of Bayji, Iraq, said the bomb was wired to two car batteries. He was helping block traffic on highways nearby the bomb, snarling traffic throughout western Washington DC.

    Soldiers searched nearby houses but made no arrests. After the area was clear, a bomb disposal team dismantled the bomb's blasting cap and was X-raying the bomb to see whether it had a secondary detonation system. They planned to remove the bomb for a controlled detonation in a remote area.

    "We blow that here, and we'll shatter every window for blocks around," Razazah said.

    Several hours later, a large explosion rocked a site in southeastern Washington DC where the Iraqi military often destroys ammunition.

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030718/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq&cid=540&ncid=716

  • Aztec
    Aztec

    Good point Jourles! Interesting reading...too bad your link doesn't work because I would've loved to check it out.

    ~Aztec

  • KGB
    KGB

    You must not be watching the news. Just this mourning on CNN they reported that the Iraqies are beginning to question the US purpose and means of being there and for starting war. They are not very happy with us being there as life was going pretty well for them before we came and destroyed it. Hell they had electricity before we came there, they were allowed to go out in the cities at night before we got there, etc etc. CNN says that the Iraqi people are beginning to build up new forces to fight against us, hell why not all we did was make there lives more miserable.

  • Simon
    Simon

    I often think things like that Joules ... maybe it's why I'm sometimes at odd with people. I think it's important to imagine hwo others are feeling and what they may be thinking. What if it was me? What if my country was taken over in the same way? If some Iraqi was bragging about how great their military was and how we should be nuked or were otherwise 'valueless' what would I want to do?

    Pity it will go over some people's heads.

  • Jourles
    Jourles

    Az, I'm not sure why the original link does not work...sometimes a link to Yahoo does that. But the original article is word for word - just replace Saddam for Bush, US army names for the Iraqi ones, and landmarks in the US to Iraqi ones also.

    KGB, the post was meant as satire.

    Simon, I do think we follow the same line of thought regarding this entire situation. I always tell myself to put me in their shoes and then how would I feel? If another country was to invade mine for no(real) reason, I would probably be one of those militant rebels taking pot-shots at their military and making bombs and leaving them in front of their headquarters too. It would piss me off to have another country come into mine and patrol the streets and tell me what to do.

  • OrbitingTheSun
    OrbitingTheSun

    I completely agree. Citizens of other countries are justified in their infuriation with America and the American people. I am an American and even I believe it is outrageous how ignorant most Americans are to the lives of people in other nations. They may not be intentionally ignorant, but there are more resources now than ever and there is no excuse not to consider the global picture anymore.

  • Jayson
    Jayson

    http://www.freep.com/news/nw/iraq/chald5_20030405.htm

    http://espn.go.com/oly/s/2002/1220/1480103.html

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/314yltit.asp

    <Jayson of the presenting the other side class>

    I'm not Iraqi so I can't speak for them. But lets pretend the Bush declares martial law and suspends the Constitution of the U.S. He puts his pic everywhere and uses State resources to put up Statues of himeself and palaces in place of feeding the starving people of the country. He defies the UN at every turn and makes Americans the 2nd in the world in the number of refugees. He routinly kills Americans who stand against him and or their families. Any form of disloyalty is met with brutal repercussions. (Far worse than people not wanting to listen to your music any more.) How would I feel if that person was removed from power? Pretty "F"ing good.

    To compare Iraq to any Western democray is not fair.

    But, would I be greatful as an Iraqi today? No. In the inserections of the 1990's we told the people of Iraq to rise up against Saddam. They did. Did we help them? No we did the opposite we let Saddam keep his army and they slottered those who did what the U.S. (GW Bush one) told them to do. Then Saddam punished those who's families took part in the unprising. We did nothing but to put no fly zones & UN Santions. That was not enough. We suck big time for that. That blood is on our hands. We should have done this a long time ago. We owe the Iraq's big time. That's my opinion.

  • Jourles
    Jourles
    To compare Iraq to any Western democray is not fair.

    Iraq is simply only one country out of hundreds across the globe. For anyone to say the restrictions, food shortages, killings, etc. only occur in Iraq is well, naive. Why does the US not take over countries like N. Korea or China? Do not both of those countries send you to prison for looking up negative nationalistic information on the internet? How about some Islamic countries banning the viewing of cable TV because too many women are shown, and if you view it you can be beaten? Syria, Libya? Muammar Ghaddafi is still in power in Libya. Why has the US allowed him to stay?

    I could go on and on with examples of repression, country sponsored genocide, etc. Many African countries wage civil war at the cost of several hundred thousand lives. SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND LIVES. But where was the US in those cases? Protecting the people? Ha. They merely spoke through the UN and denounced these wars. All words and no action for the people. No one but the President and his top aids know why they do not help other countries. Personally, and this is only MY opinion, why bother helping take control of a country where you will have to feed millions of people, house them, provide medical services, etc. when another country's NATURAL RESOURCES(Iraqi oil) are much more valuable to your own country's welfare? At least the oil production and supply may offset most of Iraq's costs in the long run. Do you really think coffee beans interest the US?

  • Jayson
    Jayson
    I often wonder how most Iraqis feel
    How would you feel if you had to live through this everyday and read about it in the news?

    Your question was how would I (putting myself in an Iraqi's shoes) feel. And I told you I would be bitter at the U.S. for not comming in 91' not for being here in 03'.

    Iraq is simply only one country out of hundreds across the globe. For anyone to say the restrictions, food shortages, killings, etc. only occur in Iraq is well, naive. Why does the US not take over countries like N. Korea or China? Do not both of those countries send you to prison for looking up negative nationalistic information on the internet? How about some Islamic countries banning the viewing of cable TV because too many women are shown, and if you view it you can be beaten? Syria, Libya? Muammar Ghaddafi is still in power in Libya. Why has the US allowed him to stay?

    I didn't say that. I limited my reply to your question. You also talked about how I would feel reading it in the newsevery day. As per your words in Iraq for example you would not have nessesarly been reading it in the news. Nor would you be talking against Saddam for long. Which is why I would be glad to see Saddam goes if I were Iraqi to answer your question.

  • Jourles
    Jourles

    Jayson, my "naive" comment was not directed towards you or anyone in particular. What I meant was, anyone who thought that Iraq was the ONLY country on earth to have a dictatorship which punished it's countrymen for what we see as idiotic reasons, was naive. You stated:

    Your question was how would I (putting myself in an Iraqi's shoes) feel. And I told you I would be bitter at the U.S. for not comming in 91' not for being here in 03'.

    If you reread my opening paragraph, I am referring to someone living in the USA under those circumstances presented in that satirical story. A person living in the USA being invaded by another country, such as Iraq, China, or whoever. Appreciate your thoughts though on being put in an Iraqi's shoes.

    I didn't say that. I limited my reply to your question.

    I know you didn't say anything about killings, famine, etc. Again I was not directing my comments towards you. It was merely a broad statement meant to drive home the point of why the US does not help other countries in need when humanitarian efforts call for it. I thought I made that point by mentioning African nations(Burundi for one) as being war torn with no outside intervention from the USA. The US denounces it, but again, they are just words and no action while thousands die needlessly.

    Wasn't that another reason the US and the UK used to go to war? Saddam's iron grip on the people? The USA is hypocritical, IMO.

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