Was Dr Kelly - Vince Fostered?

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Was Dr Kelly - Vince Fostered?

This time all those conspiracy nuts started their swim from the other side of the pond. We all know that the English are surely above intrigue and sinister deeds, just ask Roberto Calvi, you know "God's Banker", as he hung from Blackfriars Bridge. All those suspect and secret financial dealings with the Vatican had the Holy See distance themselves from the 'suicide' back in 1987. That collapse of Banco Ambrosiano and subsequent fraudulent-bankruptcy surely couldn't involve American Archbishop Paul Marcinkus, then president of the Institute for Religious Works (IOR), the official name of the Vatican bank. Amazing that the official story of Calvi's death was finally rejected as the real cause of his fate.

Surely there can be no doubt about all that commotion over Vince Foster taking his own life, right? All those Yankee kooks that think the worst about Beltway spooks surely don't have any proof that collusion was involved with Hillary's other partner's 'suicide'. Who would believe those stories about him being a bag man for all those numbered accounts and frequent flyer miles in and out of Geneva? Poor old Vince left that note before he offed himself, didn't he? Surely we all accept the facts in that Fiske report, even if it was preliminary and sealed, right? Leaks and spin always seems to bring out the best in the press and the public servants. We can believe them, only a crackpot sees a plot in every park . . .

So surely, we can accept that Dr David Kelly bled to death, the New York Times reported it, and they never lie! "His wife, Jan, said on Friday that he had committed suicide". Aren't you glad you get such quality reporting from a source you can trust? If you doubt the Brits, how about that AFP news wire report, you can believe the French. Surely you can that stock in the Thames Valley police spokesman when he said: "there was no evidence anyone else was involved."

But for the purest, only the BBC can be reliable. News you know to be above the fray and leak proof.


"Iraq weapons expert Dr David Kelly reportedly warned of "many dark actors playing games" in an e-mail sent hours before he bled to death from a slashed wrist.

The message, sent to a journalist, appeared to refer to officials within the Ministry of Defence and British intelligence agencies with whom he had sparred over interpretations of weapons reports, according to the New York Times.

But his e-mail gave no indication he was depressed and said he was waiting "until the end of the week" before judging how his appearance before the committee had gone, the newspaper said."

If you seem a little confused, surely, you can have confidence in Tony Blair! When asked, hard at work in Asia, "whether the crisis would cause him or any of his top aides to resign and asked if he felt he had "blood on his hands", his reply was: "I hope we can set aside the speculation and the counterclaims and allow that due process to take its proper course. And in the mean time, all of us, the politicians and media alike, should show some respect and restraint." Boy, Tony must be retaining Robert Fiske to advise on perfecting restraint, in light of 'suicide' investigations.

Now that the BBC has disclosed that Dr David Kelly was the principal source for its controversial report claiming Downing Street "sexed up" an Iraq weapons dossier, what will a Prime Minister do? Surely, Sky News reflects the sentiment of the English - Kelly was the mole, and near three quarters of their polls say that Blair should resign. Wow, if only Americans had the same outrage when Vince was grazing on the grass.

It should not be overlooked that Dr Kelly was the senior adviser on biological weapons to the UN biological weapons inspections teams (Unscom) from 1994 to 1999, he was also, in the opinion of his peers, pre-eminent in his field, not only in this country, but in the world. Could it be possible - surely just coincidental - that the world's top microbiologists are dying. Note a pattern?


1. Nov. 12, 2001: Benito Que was said to have been beaten in a Miami parking lot and died later.

2. Nov. 16, 2001: Don C. Wiley went missing. Was found Dec. 20. Investigators said he got dizzy on a Memphis bridge and fell to his death in a river.

3. Nov. 21, 2001: Vladimir Pasechnik, former high-level Russian microbiologist who defected in 1989 to the U.K. apparently died from a stroke.

4. Dec. 10, 2001: Robert M. Schwartz was stabbed to death in Leesberg, Va. Three Satanists have been arrested.

5. Dec. 14, 2001: Nguyen Van Set died in an airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia.

6. Feb. 9, 2002: Victor Korshunov had his head bashed in near his home in Moscow.

7. Feb. 14, 2002: Ian Langford was found partially naked and wedged under a chair in Norwich, England.

8. 9. Feb. 28, 2002: San Francisco resident Tanya Holzmayer was killed by a microbiologist colleague, Guyang Huang, who shot her as she took delivery of a pizza and then apparently shot himself.

10. March 24, 2002: David Wynn-Williams died in a road accident near his home in Cambridge, England.

11. March 25, 2002: Steven Mostow of the Colorado Health Sciences Centre, killed in a plane he was flying near Denver.

12. June 24, 2003: Leland Rickman, Associate Clinical Professor of Medicine at the UCSD School of Medicine, died suddenly on June 24 while traveling and teaching medicine in Lesotho, Africa. Actual cause of death, apparently due to natural causes, is not known.

At least, on the surface, is the absence of the Vince Foster formula. Even judgment is currently being withheld about a Dr Kelly low tech method for hara-kiri. Surely, there could not be any connection? We all know that Lee Harvey Oswald was the exception, while a professional covers their tracks, who really thinks he was a patsy! All those wacko's would have you believe that you can't trust the Tony Blair's of the world. How ridiculous, that's like saying the Vatican could do business with the underworld! And surely, only a weirdo would believe that Vince didn't act alone. Only oddballs would foster such a myth.

Aren't you glad that you are above such speculation and innuendo? All the "true believers", know that there is no conspiracy, cause the good guys tell us so . . . Surely, only the non-conformists would be cynical, and who would want to be one of those lamebrains? Being skeptical can only upset all the folks. Better to thrive in fantasy than risk reality. Asking too many questions may, surely, spread the fosterized plague. And who would want that? Surely, we all can do better - just believe the infeasible - it will emancipate substance from deduction. Ah, what a pleasant way to go . . .

rem

Aren't people responsible for their own actions anymore? Why the need to blame others for someone's suicide. If you can provide evidence of foul play, that is one thing, but without evidence you are nothing more than a conspiracy theorist.
The thing that wigs me out is that it was reported on US news channels that a majority of British people think Blair is responsible for this guy's suicide? What kind of society is that? Maybe it's socialism run amok. A society where there is always someone else to blame for your actions and the government is responsible for everything.
rem
searchfothetruth

Rem,
I've never tried to hide the fact that I am a Conspiracy Theorist!
But look at it this way. This man was under pressure and if he did commit suicide, then someone is to blame for him doing so. He only did it AFTER the questioning and the threats he recieved from the commitee that aggressively questioned him.
So who is to blame? The BBC kept their source anonymous as all good journalists do, but the Ministry of Defence released his name and brought him into the public arena.
There are many examples of people who could be damaging to the government 'committing suicide' at a convienient time.
1. Nov. 12, 2001: Benito Que was said to have been beaten in a Miami parking lot and died later.
2. Nov. 16, 2001: Don C. Wiley went missing. Was found Dec. 20. Investigators said he got dizzy on a Memphis bridge and fell to his death in a river.
3. Nov. 21, 2001: Vladimir Pasechnik, former high-level Russian microbiologist who defected in 1989 to the U.K. apparently died from a stroke.
4. Dec. 10, 2001: Robert M. Schwartz was stabbed to death in Leesberg, Va. Three Satanists have been arrested.
5. Dec. 14, 2001: Nguyen Van Set died in an airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia.
6. Feb. 9, 2002: Victor Korshunov had his head bashed in near his home in Moscow.
7. Feb. 14, 2002: Ian Langford was found partially naked and wedged under a chair in Norwich, England.
8. 9. Feb. 28, 2002: San Francisco resident Tanya Holzmayer was killed by a microbiologist colleague, Guyang Huang, who shot her as she took delivery of a pizza and then apparently shot himself.
10. March 24, 2002: David Wynn-Williams died in a road accident near his home in Cambridge, England.
11. March 25, 2002: Steven Mostow of the Colorado Health Sciences Centre, killed in a plane he was flying near Denver.
12. June 24, 2003: Leland Rickman, Associate Clinical Professor of Medicine at the UCSD School of Medicine, died suddenly on June 24 while traveling and teaching medicine in Lesotho, Africa. Actual cause of death, apparently due to natural causes, is not known.
At least, on the surface, is the absence of the Vince Foster formula. Even judgment is currently being withheld about a Dr Kelly low tech method for hara-kiri. Surely, there could not be any connection? We all know that Lee Harvey Oswald was the exception, while a professional covers their tracks, who really thinks he was a patsy! All those wacko's would have you believe that you can't trust the Tony Blair's of the world. How ridiculous, that's like saying the Vatican could do business with the underworld! And surely, only a weirdo would believe that Vince didn't act alone. Only oddballs would foster such a myth .
searchfothetruth

Dr Kelly's Final Hours Did Not Indicate Suicide
Monday, 21 July 2003, 1:15 pm
Article: The Scoop Editor
In the 48 hours since the death of UK WMD scientist David Kelly several key pieces of evidence concerning his final hours and frame of mind have now come to light. These are extracted from key articles and linked below.
Notably they do not point to a seemingly suicidal or internally tortured end for the scientist who has taken to the grave the truth about his relationship with the UK PM's office and the alleged "sexing up" of Iraqi WMD intelligence.
In the wake of some reports that the death has been "confirmed as suicide" it is important for news consumers to realise that legally neither the police, nor the media, have any power to make such a determination.
The cause of death will ultimately be determined legally by a coroner's inquest and that will probably be several weeks if not months away.
It is also important to realise that while the evidence that has been released about the death is consistent with suicide, it is also consistent with a murder made to look like suicide.
Moreover the alleged method of suicide a self inflicted knife wound to the wrist is 1) a method of suicide extremely seldom used by men, and 2) a method of suicide that is seldom successful as it takes such a long time to die.
Finally it is worth repeating some remarks from WhatReallyHappened.com:
"Why would he commit suicide NOW? And why try to commit suicide using the slowest method possible, out on the open, where he might be seen and stopped, as opposed to renting a motel room with a bed and bathtub? How could Kelly know that, once he was unconscious, a passer by might not spot him and call for an ambulance?"

And on that point, given his importance to the UK Government at this time, and his role in the affair as an alleged leaker of sensitive information (he gave evidence only last Tuesday about the most significant intelligence scandal in recent memory) isn't it also just a little bit odd that Dr David Kelly wasn't under observation by the intelligence services?
Postscript: Since publication another report has come to our attention shedding light on the issue of whether or not Dr Kelly was under observation. Sky News reported (CLICK FOR LINK- See 5th To Last Para), "Mr Mangold also revealed Dr Kelly had been taken to a safe house but 'he hadn't liked that, he wanted to come home.'" Clearly someone considered that Dr Kelly was in danger of being attacked.
- The Scoop Editor
rem

If he DID commit suicide, then I say he is to blame. Nobody held a gun to his head (did they?). He made the choice to speak out about the WMD. If he wasn't prepared to deal with the consequences then I believe that is poor judgement on his part. I don't believe in blaming others for your own actions.
Now, if it wasn't suicide, then that's a completely different story.
rem
lawrence

No suicide here folks. Yes, this was another Vince Foster deal. I visited the spot that Vince was supposed to have shot himself. No one would go there for a final farewell. Mind you, dead men tell no tales...
Stan Conroy

Now, if it wasn't suicide, then that's a completely different story.

Here's a completely different story:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00165.htm
Stan
heathen

I think vince foster was whacked myself . I read the book unlimited access by Gary Aldrich who was in the FBI and was part of the white house security force during the Raegan ,Bush and Clinton administration. In the book he stated that from the information he gathered that Hilary Clinton was having an affair with Vince Foster and the evidence that may have been on the hard drive of his computer mysteriously disappeared. This Dr. Kelly situation sounds about as fishy .
lawrence

Thanks for the post of the article - this sounds more like it.
sf

rem,
Wake Up! and smell The Bushes!!!
sKally, Who? klass

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