Demons / Urban Legends! Which Is It????

by Big Jim 55 Replies latest jw friends

  • waiting
    waiting

    Interesting thread, and I take my usual stance - in the middle somewhere. There's so much we don't understand in and around the world. I think it's inconsistent to believe there's a God - and not an alter ego or alter persona also.

    I'm staying an agnostic for now - so I don't know about either God or spirits (good or bad or indifferent).

    However, one point has not been brought up yet, particularily in view of the quasi-awake/sleep time period. The subconscious is still awake, according to what I've read. Therefore, memories are quite able to surface - but not always accurately and completely. If a person has memories from earlier years, there's a chance they will surface during that time and can be construed as nightmares with no foundation.

    This has happened to me several times, from light sleep to awaking in the dead of deep sleep. I had an unusally bad childhood at the hands of my father and his friends. Usually, I don't stop literally running until I'm across the length of our house. After a while, I'll go back, flip the light on, then start thinking, because sleep won't come that night. But escaping the terror is foremost. These types of memories are quite different from regular nightmares, at least for me.

    Just because we don't remember the terror doesn't mean it did/didn't happen.

    waiting

  • hippikon
    hippikon

    I thought I had bad experiences with the demons however when I learned about sleep paralysis it all started to make sense. (And It was good to have a spooky story to tell at those fireside chats. Didn’t want to feel left out)

    I also had a friend at school who was always seeing spooky things – People stepping out of walls and things but turnded out he was schizophrenic and hallucinating. (Symptom or cause? Don’t know).

    I have to conclude there is much unknown but if God wants to tell me about it he’ll have to use a more reliable source.


    "But it does move"
    Galileo

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    Well, Slayer and V,

    I believe you guys. And I'm not sure what the explanation is.

    But I also want to say that coming out of a place where so many told us what could or could not be true, what we should or should not believe, that reading the posts from people INSISTING that these things could not happen (when nobody really knows) or that they have the definitive explanation, is distressing to me.

    Each one of us has the right to his/her own OPINION, but let's not belittle another's honestly and openly related experience, just because it hasn't happened in our realm of experience or isn't scientifically provable. There are MANY, many things that cannot be scientifically explained -- theorized, yes; explained, no.

    Hope I'm not being too sensitive. (I've been touchy, lately, I know!)

    outnfree

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    There are MANY, many things that cannot be scientifically explained -- theorized, yes; explained, no.

    True. However, the vast majority of what we all used to assume was supernatural contact, and in more recent years, extraterrestial contact, can be explained very easily by scientific study of the mind.

    Think about MPD: "The development of "alter egos" can become extensive enough so that it is not uncommon to witness alters which display differences in gender, age, religion, handedness, handwriting, voice and even cerebral blood flow and brain electrical activity..."

    If that can happen, then you and I can see a ghost, especially when we are in a classic, "spooky" situation. We can certainly feel a "presence" in our bedroom that terrifies us. The one woman I know who has actually "seen" Jesus, also saw colors coming out of a Jazz singers mouth once and a few other hallucinagenic visions as well. Somehow, she does not mention the two events as having a connection. Btw, generally speaking, I consider her one of the more well adjusted people I know.

    Some things, such as slayer & V's experiences, are not so easily explained. But when 99% of all the demon & angel & virgin mary & ufo & etc etc. contact throughout history, has turned out to be bunk, I tend to look at the few (very few) experiences that are more difficult to explain, with a very critical eye. Doesn't mean I think I know what is going on, just that the weight of past unexplainable things leads me to think that these things to have a very natural, perhaps even mundane, explanation.

  • SlayerLayer
    SlayerLayer

    I had decided to leave this thread alone. I've not spoken of these events in years. When I posted them here, I felt that I would be sharing my experiences with those may have gone through similar experiences.
    It's funny how people always theorize an explaination. I usually don't even talk about things of this nature because of the belittling that usually follows. Or feeling that I have to prove it with some hard evidence.
    Were my entire family under some "group" sleep disorder? No. Were my friends who refused to spend the night because they saw things under this same disorder? No.
    SixofNine, please list the reference where you obtained the information that 99% of these experiences have been "bunk".
    I guess you can see that this is a touchy subject with me. I am aware that a lot of these encounters end up being bunk, but untill you've actually experienced them yourself, the only basis for being a skeptic is that it hasn't happened to you personally.
    Do light switches usually turn themselves on? Do ovens automaticly turn themselves onto the highest setting? Do inanimate objects usually get up and move on there own? Do families usually wake up in the middle of the night and run downstairs because they heard a woman screaming, only to find nothing? I would have to say no.
    I don't believe that group sleep disorder explains it. I've never heard of everyone in a house having mass sleep paralysis.
    I do not believe in God, nor do I believe in angels, demons or the Devil. I do believe that energy never just dies. All energy can change form. So what happens when we die? I have no idea, do you?

    REM: A prosac explaination? Would you prescribe it to about 20 people and tell them it was all in there heads because YOU didn't see it?

  • dark clouds
    dark clouds

    I personally have a handful of stories. I have experienced bizzarness of this kind for years both alone and in company, aside from dreams and other surreal experiences, i have witnessed(sorry no pun) enough to know not to question it anymore or try to explain it to non-believers.

    The following stories are all true and non-fiction. . .
    >in advance i say that you may not believe some of these, it's ok you don't have to. but as sure as you are reading and breathing right now, these all occured.

    Perhaps because i have always had an interest in the occult, I have come to know these things, but nonetheless its spooky, its freaky, it sends chills up and down your spine, and afterwards when i have attempted to rationalize it, there really has not been any explanations. . . its a fucking rush.
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    I will start with my uncle, because for most of his life he WAS an atheist, die-hard total non-believer.

    I must have been about 9 years old at the time that this happened, the details I can provide about the events leading up to this are from conversations held with my aunt and my parents now that I am an adult. My uncle will not speak of this to this day.

    >the story---Seems like in the late 70's my uncle was having an affair, and the girl who he was involved with was "connected", her family was Brazilian and they "practiced", after so many months of sneaking around, she gave him an the ultimatum as for him to leave my aunt and cousins, he refused. She played it cool and continued to see him, some time went by and she invited him over as her family was having a "gathering" and she explained to him what was going on. He mocked them to their face
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    Fast forward a couple of days after the gathering, he decides that he had enough of the affair and was going to cut out, because he thought she was crazy and he had had his fun. Apparently she was not about to take no for an answer this time.

    >>>>The following is what both my mom and I witnessed when we went over after receiving the telephone call from my aunt. . .

    My uncle is about 6'2", he was lying on the floor trying to wrestle invisible hands from his neck, his face was red and he was sweating heavily, from what my aunt explains this had been going on for about an hour on and off, and she was freaking out,

    while my uncle was being "attacked" she had called the sister that was giving her studies, because the sister's husband was an elder and my aunt figured that he would know what to do

    >>>side note: Mind you, my aunt thinks that because she is studying the demons are attacking her husband as to cause her to stop, totally oblivious to my uncle's affair

    While we were waiting for the elders, my uncle was being dragged on the floor and lifted from the ground onto a wall and being pushed and lifted vertically up from the floor, he looked like he had been hung on a wall mount. his feet were hanging like 2 feet from the ground with his back was pinned against the wall.

    As quickly as it happened, he fell to the ground. Shortly the elders arrived, but it was over. They stayed a while and we left.

    Months later my aunt was babtized and that same afternoon the "experience" was told at a circuit assembly in Bear Mountain
    (New York State), by one of the elders. Slightly exagerated but told non-the-less. . . .

    back with more shortly

    ps Between Worlds
    its called DeJaVu it's a french term for what you experience or as is now known as the glytch in the matrix. . .

  • dark clouds
    dark clouds

    ok here goes another. . . .

    it was the summer of 76 and i was 6 years old, my mom had asked me to go into the kitchen and retrieve something for her, what it was i do not recall because what i saw standing under the theshold on my way there caused me to freeze and forget what i was supposed to do.

    there stood a figure about as tall as a door translucent and blue, dressed in robes and bearded, with its arm extended asking me to go to it,--- yeah the hair on the back of my neck stood and i yelled mom there is someone in the house.

    my mom comes out running and the figure is gone. when i walked past where he was standing i felt goosebumps all over my body similar to those i have felt later on in life during other experiences of the sort

    >>>for those of you familiar with the starwars trilogy. picture ben kenobi's aura. now imagine an entire being composed of this blue translucent light glowing and see-thru. where the details of his facial expression, the folds in his fabric, the texture of his hair, were noticeable, yet he remained translucent. . .

    weird i tell you, but i still remember it to this day 25 years later.
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    ok the folowing is dream related

    the year was 1983 and i was in the 8th grade,
    for an entire week i would see my classmates in my dreams and see events related to the following day and i would notice what it was that they were wearing,
    the following day they wore what i had seen and moments would unfold similar to what i had dreamt.
    i started catching on to it by the 3rd nite, after that week random events here and there would occur as they still do, but that week stood out because of its frequency.

    strange but true. . .

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    i was about 23

    one afternoon i was driving and as i approached a yellow light i noticed a motorcycle in front of me that had gone though it, i stopped at the red and while sitting there had a premonition of the bike rear ending the car it was following
    i saw the bike hit the bumper and watched the driver flip onto the hood of the car.
    seconds later, sure enough just as i saw it in my head it happened,
    it spooked me senseless and i had to pull over for a few cause i was shocked.

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    after leaving the borg i started hanging out with a coven in south florida---the year was 1994

    with the exception of my friend and i who had just started hanging out with them, the 4 knew each other well for they got together on a weekly basis to practice group meditation. knowing that they had practice doing this on numerous occasions, we were game and we joined in, we were attempting to astral project,

    there were six of us in the room listening to the guide and once we all left our bodies we met in astral space and had our journey,

    when we returned we had all experienced the same thing, seen
    similar places and each other, encountered the same creatures and such,

    mind you we did not smoke nor take hallucinagens prior to this experience, those came later after we had returned.

    now for the skeptics, my friend and i did this as a hoot, the process was explained and we said sure. . .
    granted that 4 of them knew each other and they could have made up what they saw,

    but my friend and i saw the same things they had been describing and we were not telling them what we saw until we both realized that we had seen the same details,

    that is when it got eerie and when we left the house we totally reconfirmed that we were not pulling each others legs, there was like no way that 6 people could have experienced the same thing unless we had all been there, the details is what gave us the proof that we needed to believe.

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    the following happened in a cottage that an old girlfriend and i shared during late 94 thru mid 95

    we rented this place that was about 200 yards from a lake. it had 3 bedrooms, fireplace, comfortable, off the main road, dirt cheap rent, plenty of room to create she is an artist so we set up a studio for her.

    seems that some type of violent angy energy lingered in the house, with which we became acquainted with shortly after we moved in
    there were things that happend in that time. . .

    the sounds of footsteps walking on the roof outside
    loud banging noises at various times at random
    there was a light in the back room that would turn on, on its own

    this light became a game for us after a while.
    we would conscientiously make an effort to remind ourselves to turn it off whenever we would leave and let each other know that we had done so
    it would be on when we returned, and this would only happen when we were not home, the light never turned on on its own when we were there

    one nite i went to that room because i thought i had heard a noise coming from there, we had company so i excused myself and went to it,
    our cats followed me there, the temperature in that room must have dropped like 20 degrees when i walked in, instantaneously,
    they all darted out of there as if they had been run thru the dry cycle all fluffed out.
    the hair on the back of my neck went on end and it sounded like something was breathing in there, i was spooked, i asked it to leave because it was not invited and then i left in case it would get mad at me. . .

    shortly after "tom" and i decided to try out a ouija board to see if we could make a connection with whatever was lingering in there,

    after some time he got bored and returned to nintendo, i stayed with it, curious with the board and a few minutes later the planchette levitated about 3 feet from the floor i was sitting on,

    when "tom" saw what was happenning he thought i was messing with him so he walked over tried to hit the planchette off of my fingertips and said he said he could feel currents running between him and my arms while the planchette hung on, he bugged out and i was tripping off of the rush cause it felt magnetic, a few minutes later it dropped and the feeling left my arms. . .

    a few weeks later walking in the house i felt an arm come out of nowhere and punch me in the chest, i thought my rib cage was going to collapse that is how intense the feeling was,

    i fell to the floor and managed to get myself to the bedroom, a few hours later i was still aching and laying in bed when my gf came home. i had her drive me to the hospital,

    after a few hours of testing they said i was fine and they could not explain the pain nor the cause of what i felt in my chest, it was not a stroke nor a heart attack nor were there any bruises, just a very strange incident. . .

  • dark clouds
    dark clouds

    i know i have been writing alot but this stuff i am really into. . . .

    i have experienced that sort of paralysis that comes with sleep but there have always been "dreams" attached to this situation. dreams of levitating and of being tied up and restrained and the dreams that accompany are other worldly --- definitely not human.

    the visions in the dreams are very fantasy based, astral i would say. mythical creatures and stuff that can only be read about in books and seen in movies.

    i have laid in bed in my sleep and my gf at the time has noticed my skin get all cold and full of goosebumps while she lays next to me and reads
    and during these i have felt a presence that is not human as i am having one of these so called "paralysis" dreams.

    i have awoken somewhere between consciousness and sub-consciousness and brought back creatures that i have been dreaming with
    only when i realize that i am awake and am no longer dreaming
    do they vanish
    the dreams are lucid
    and i can i rationalize it as such,

    but when i open my eyes
    i need either contacts or glasses to see clearly
    and when i open my eyes and i DO see clearly
    that is definitely somewhere beyond lucid

    granted that the mind may play tricks but there is no way it could convince me of having clear sight when i awake for minutes at a time. . .
    and then sending me back to my glasses. . . .

  • julien
    julien

    the bottom line is this:
    we have all seen camcorder or other videotape footage of tornados, earthquakes, robberies, police beatings, car crashes, unexpected explosions, americas funniest videos (i estimate 1 billion hours worth of tape, 1 hour of funny stuff), etc. You name it, whatever it is, someone has seen it and taped it. And yet paranormal activity is strangely absent. Everyone has heard of houses or places that were haunted, there are TV shows about them all the time. But never a single frame of an unexplained phenomenon. Maybe the spooks are shy, I dunno. Sorry that you all have gotten a few skeptical responses, but in a public forum what else can you expect? When you post extraordinary claims it is only natural for people to try and offer reasonable explanations.

    Slayer, you said that you thought that house was haunted. Did you ever try to capture any of the weird happenings on tape? Or what about asking the current owners what they have experienced there.. If the things are still happening you can get a tape and sell it for millions.. If not, why did they stop? I'm not trying (but perhaps succeeding) to be an ass here, I'm just pointing out that spooky stories aren't worth too much as 'evidence' of demons, despite the number of eyewitnesses.

  • hybridous
    hybridous

    My admittedly goofy JW dad has been telling of his supernatural experience for years.

    When he was a teenager, he went with his brothers and/or friends to a 'known' haunted area to look for the famous ghost. He swears that an apparition approached them and chased them away. He says that he was terrified; a younger friend was screaming for his mother. They made it out, only to gather some other friends who doubted the story, and return to the location. According to my dad, the same thing happened. He will never, EVER, look for another opportunity to see something like that. He says that he went back the second time, because if he didn't, he would doubt what happened for the rest of his life.

    That's his story, anyway. Since I've heard it from childhood, I'm at a disadvantage trying to determine how much credibility to lend it. Apparently, the elders at the hall had no doubts, because when they heard what happened, they tore a new hole in his behind for him.

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