Shunning your Children

by missylissy 29 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Lisa,

    Your scenario -- the shunned person saying "I love you", and the parent hanging up on him/her, is all too familiar.

    The few times I've talked to my parents on the phone in recent years, they are in a hurry to hang up. Why? Did I insult their religion merely by trying to talk normally to them? I didn't even try to have "spiritual discourse" with them.

    The elder's manual says that family members are generally not disfellowshipped for contact with DF'd family members UNLESS spiritual matters were discussed.

    OTOH, what they publish in the Watchtower and most recently in the August 2002 Kingdom Ministry indicates that you should keep contacts with DF'd family members to "necessary business".

    My mom wrote to me and said "we're here for you in a dire emergency". If they can't be humane during regular times, why should I trust them to help me out in a "dire emergency"? Is my heart supposed to be grateful because of their vague offer of help in some unlikely "emergency"?

    Shunning sucks.

  • mizpah
    mizpah

    There are wide differences existing on how Jehovah's Witnesses treat disfellowshipped or disassociated family members. Some will use the phrase "important family matters" as an excuse to see their family all the time. Others read into it that no association should be had except under extreme circumstances.

    I know of one example that illustrates this: A person approached an elder to ask about disfellowshipped parents who had not seen or heard from their daughter and her children in about 20 years. The elder's response was that the decision of the daughter must have been a "personal one" since the Watchtower had no rule forbidding contact. Technically, this elder was probably right. But in practice the opposite is true. Jehovah's Witnesses who try to slavishly obey the dictates of the Watchtower Society know that the intent of the Watchtower is to punish those who leave the organization. Enough articles have been written especially in recent years about the dangers of association with anyone who is considered by the Watchtower as an "apostate." And one can be disfellowshipped for merely asking questions about doctrine or expressing doubt about the Watchtower's role as "God's channel of communication."

  • be wise
    be wise

    As per usual the Watchtower keeps tight control over the information a JW is susceptible to, so they decide nothing to do with religion or spirituality can be discussed, as we know.

    As regards shunning many jws families can react completely different.

    A family of jws daughter, I know, was disfellowshipped but they didn’t treat her anything like what nearly every other jw would they still treat her like family even at the KH to the disgust of everybody there.

    What really gets me about the self-righteous attitude regarding shunning policy the Watchtower has is the fact that they say, ‘family ties remain’ when the facts are that all your believing family now think you are in Satan’s world and you will die at Armageddon if you don’t join the Watchtower before it’s to late. They also believe you are now a ‘bad associate’ and every jw should avoid you at all costs.

    I this will most probably have an affect on the relationship of any family.

  • razorMind
    razorMind
    Me: I love you
    Mom or Dad: *click*

    It's shit like this that BURNS ME UP

    AAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • Beans
    Beans

    http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm

    Do you shun former members?

    Those who become inactive in the congregation, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned. In fact, special effort is made to reach out to them and rekindle their spiritual interest. If, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkeness, stealing or adultery, he will be disfellowshipped and such an individual is avoided by former fellow-worshipers. Every effort is made to help wrongdoers. But if they are unrepentant, the congregation needs to be protected from their influence. The Bible clearly states: 'Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.' (1 Corinthians 5:13) Those who formally say they do not want to be part of the organization any more are also avoided. What of a man who is disfellowshipped but whose wife and children are still Jehovah's Witnesses? The spiritual ties he had with his family change, but blood ties remain. The marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings can continue. As for disfellowshipped relatives not living in the same household, Jehovah's Witnesses apply the Bible's counsel: "Quit mixing with them." (1 Corinthians 5:11) Disfellowshipped individuals may continue to attend religious services and, if they wish, they may receive spiritual counsel from the elders with a view to their being restored. They are always welcome to return to the faith if they reject the improper course of conduct for which they were disfellowshipped

    Beans

    http://Quotes.JehovahsWitnesses.com

  • Beans
    Beans

    Do you shun former members?

    Those who become inactive in the congregation, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned. In fact, special effort is made to reach out to them and rekindle their spiritual interest. If, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkeness, stealing or adultery, he will be disfellowshipped and such an individual is avoided by former fellow-worshipers. Every effort is made to help wrongdoers. But if they are unrepentant, the congregation needs to be protected from their influence. The Bible clearly states: 'Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.' (1 Corinthians 5:13) Those who formally say they do not want to be part of the organization any more are also avoided. What of a man who is disfellowshipped but whose wife and children are still Jehovah's Witnesses? The spiritual ties he had with his family change, but blood ties remain. The marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings can continue. As for disfellowshipped relatives not living in the same household, Jehovah's Witnesses apply the Bible's counsel: "Quit mixing with them." (1 Corinthians 5:11) Disfellowshipped individuals may continue to attend religious services and, if they wish, they may receive spiritual counsel from the elders with a view to their being restored. They are always welcome to return to the faith if they reject the improper course of conduct for which they were disfellowshipped

  • garybuss
    garybuss

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    The Spokane Spokesman October 5 th 1996
    Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses tackle custody issue

    Weekend conference first to address legal difficulties of leaving the sect

    By Kelly McBride Staff writer

    Former Jehovah’s Witnesses are gathering in Spokane this weekend to discuss child custody disputes and other bitter results of leaving the apocalyptic religious sect.

    “The trauma of leaving this church is so destructive that people often implode or explode,” said Jim Penton, a retired religion professor and ex-Witness. “There is a lot of breakdown, emotional and spiritual.”

    While former church members have met to commiserate for years, this conference is the first to address the legal difficulties encountered during divorce and custody proceedings.

    “It’s becoming _the_ issue for people who have left the church but still want to have some say in the way their children are raised, said Penton, who is among the few dozen people attending the conference. “The church can be pretty ruthless. They train children to alienate non-Witness parents.”

    Richard Rawe, a Soap Lake, Wash., resident excommunicated from the church in 1977, has been helping other ex-Witnesses since then. He said he is increasingly contacted by parents frustrated by their dealings with the church during legal proceedings.

    “The church has a gaggle of about 60 attorneys which they will dispatch to members who need legal assistance,” Rawe said. “It doesn’t make a very even playing field.”

    Merton Campbell, a Jehovah’s Witness spokesman in Brooklyn, N.Y., would not comment on Rawe’s allegations. Local church authorities also declined to comment.

    Campbell and other church leaders, though, said they didn’t know about the sponsors of the conference, Bible Research and Commentary International, whose board is composed entirely of former paid church officers.

    Church officials said they never advocate their followers violate court orders or state laws. But they acknowledged their doctrine of shunning former members leaves little room for non-Witness parents in the lives of children who are active in the church.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses tell children they can associate with their non-Witness parents until they are adults, said Campbell. But once they become adults, they must choose between continuing that association or remaining part of the church.

    “We believe that we are obeying what the Bible has to say on that,” Campbell said.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses, also known by their corporate moniker, the Watchtower Society, are a Christian sect that preaches the end of the world is near. The church has prepared for Armageddon on four different dates this century, but each time the believers have been disappointed.

    In addition to their practice of proselytizing door-to-door, they are most often noted for their refusal to accept blood or organ transplants, salute the flag or serve in the military.

    The church teaches that governments and other worldly organizations are agents of the devil. Members consider holidays or birthday celebrations forms of idolatry.

    Catholics and Protestants generally regard Jehovah’s Witnesses as heretics, because of their unorthodox beliefs, including the teaching that Jesus was a mere human being and not divine. Witnesses in turn believe the rest of Christianity has lost its true meaning and followers are being misled by Satan.

    At the conference, which continues today and Sunday at Cavanaugh’s Fourth Avenue hotel, attendees stood up one by one to share their moment of epiphany when they decided to break with the church.

    Rueben Mecado of Spokane said that going to the funeral of a mother of five who bled to death during childbirth because she refused a blood transfusion raised questions in his mind.

    His wife, Marlene, a third-generation Witness, said she watched her youngest son become socially isolated because the church teaches that children should not be involved in any extracurricular activities.

    Sherry Veitenheimer, also from Spokane, said she was shocked to hear an elder proclaim that an abused woman should stay married to her abuser, but that divorce was acceptable if one spouse prevented the other from attending church.

    “Once you accept that someone else is speaking for God, to doubt that source is the same as doubting God,” she said.

    Because former members are shunned, choosing to leave the church is often just as painful as staying, said Ron Frye, president of the ex-Witness group holding this weekend’s convention.

    Former church members have formed several of their own organizations, such as the Bible Research and Commentary International, and are widely represented on the Internet’s World Wide Web.

    Penton encouraged former church members to continue speaking out, but not to dwell on the bad experiences of others.

    “I read these accounts on the Internet and it’s like opening up old wounds,” he said. “We don’t want to be spiritual scab pickers. It does no good. we need to be positive about it.”

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  • mizpah
    mizpah

    Garybuss:

    Thanks for including a report on the assembly held in Spokane in 1996. I was unable to attend. And I never heard about the contents of that program. We can be grateful to men like Ron Frye, James Penton, Richard Rawe and others who have exposed the treachery of the Watchtower Society and have been instrumental in publicizing the heartache and pain that many experience upon leaving the organization.

    A lot has happened since 1996. The sexual abuse cases have taken our attention in recent times. But we do not want to forget that many families are hurting because of the cruel practice of shunning. It is obscene for the Watchtower to use scriptures that apply to the anti-Christ or to serious sinners to justify its own policy based on revenge toward those leaving its organization because of questions or doubts about it role as "God's sole channel of communication." These victims are not the "anti-Christ" nor are they unrepentent sinners. They are victims of a unchristian organization!

  • Richie
  • Richie
    Richie

    My experience on being disfellowshipped is plentiful, as can be read in my previous threads. I decided not to post for a long time, as (in my opinion) it would not serve a rightful purpose except to vent one's anger, which I wanted to avoid anyways. I do agree that to vent one's frustrations in the beginning may perhaps be a useful outlet but only for a short time. Life has to go on and one has to "deprogram" oneself eventually. I know that all of my so-called Witness-"friends" are lost and gone once you're df'd, but then again - we can change for the better through a temporary "therapy" on this board and then afterwards going forward in the world by meeting and developing new (and real) friends...

    I am df'd for about 3.5 years - my 2 daughters have hardly any contact with me - Carrie, my oldest daughter hasn't spoken or seen me since, whereas Michelle had spoken to me occasionally. I have attempted to "normalize" our relationship on the basis of her being my daughter and I being her father (sounds normal?) and especially after she got 2 children (my grandchildren) - I even went to a lot of meetings just to see them and have "eye-association" with them. To make a long story short: I was not welcome at Michelle's place and was not able to freely associate with my grandchildren Cole and Emma either - Since about 8 months ago, I severed all contact, as I refuse to be treated like an outcast or second-hand person, because of the unbiblical "rules" by an organization which claims itself part of God. (The Pharisees did exactly the same). They know that I love them very much, as a father should naturally.

    Incidentally, my life has changed so much; having acquired many friends - I am attending an evangelical church, where I find a caring body of people, showing a genuine love, which I never experienced before - I now believe in God wholeheartedly and have accepted Christ as my Saviour and Lord in my life. At last I have grown closer to God and have an intimate relationship with Him and I could only have done that by leaving the Watchtower. If I ever go back to the Witnesses, it would mean that I desert my God and that I would never dare to do!!!

    Richie :*)

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