Raymond Franz y www.atalaya.org

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  • Administrador
    Administrador

    letter of Raymond Franz to the administrator of www.atalaya.org


    Dear Sir:

    I have read your message to Esteban López González, who wrote to you at my
    request. If you are unable to understand English you may wish to ask
    Esteban to translate this for you.

    En essence your letter states that you view yourself as having the right to
    ignore my request and decide what YOU wish to do with MY writing. This is a
    case of twisted thinking that I have not seen before.

    We have thus far dealt with a number of cases of copyright violation of
    Commentary Press publications, one by an individual in Australia, utilizing
    (as in the case of your web site) the Internet, another by a person with a
    web site titled DKMinistries using the same Terra Lycos Internet network
    that you use, and yet another by a U.S. author in a book published by
    Minerva Press in England. In all cases the violation of international
    copyright laws was recognized and correction was made, in the cases
    involving web sites on the Internet, by full withdrawal of the material from
    the Internet (the Terra Lycos network even completely removed the web site
    that was in violation of copyright laws). In the case of the book published
    by Minerva Press, they discontinued distribution of the copies containing
    plagiarized material and republished the book without that material.

    Writing is hard work, at least if the material is original with the writer.
    Our human nature at times leads us to seek to get around some of that hard
    work, trading on the thinking, research and work of another. The principle
    stated by the apostle in his letter to the Galatians seems a good one to
    follow in this as in all fields of life. He writes: ³All must test their
    own work; then that work, rather than their neighbor's work will become a
    cause for pride. For all must carry their own loads.² (Galatians 6:4, 5)
    If you wish to exercise control over the way certain writing is use, then
    you should write the material yourself, not attempt to appropriate control
    of someone else's work.


    The books that I have written are the product of MY thought and work, not
    that of someone else, yourself included. The documentation came from MY
    files, and is unique to my work. The books were published through MY
    efforts and at MY expense, not that of someone else. The international
    copyright was obtained through MY efforts and at MY expense. Translations
    (now in 12 languages) have been made through MY contacts with others and
    under MY supervision, not that of someone else, yourself included. In a
    number of cases, as is true of the Spanish translation, the pagination,
    formatting and proofreading preparatory to printing was done by me. This
    represents many months of work, done by ME, not someone else. The PUBLISHING
    of the Spanish translation was arranged by me and I bore much of the
    original expense.

    International copyright laws are clear on this and show that literary
    property deserves the same protection as material property. To publish
    another's literary work without his permission is a violation of
    international copyright law and subject to legal penalty under that law. It
    is a form of theft, something no genuine Christian would engage in.--Romans
    2:21; 13:1, 5; Ephesians 4:28.

    I am now formally requesting that you completely remove the material
    contained in the book CRISIS DE CONCIENCIA from your web site. Failure to
    do so will oblige me to contact the Internet server you employ and request
    that they take action to see that the unauthorized publishing of the
    material is removed. As stated, I have had to do this with others who
    followed a similar illegal course and in every case the material was
    removed.

    I am as interested as you are in seeing the material reach many people but
    since it is the product of MY work it is up to me to decide how and in what
    manner this goal is to be achieved. It is extremely arrogant for someone
    else to attempt to dictate the terms on which this is done. What
    arrangement I may make with Esteban López González is for me to decide, not
    you or anyone else. You may rest assured that if the book had been written
    by you, rather than by me, I would never think of publishing it (or any part
    of it) without first asking for and obtaining your permission. And if that
    permission were granted I would still show full respect as to the manner in
    which the publishing were done. God is my witness that I sincerely believe
    in those high principles as the ones by which we should live. To do
    otherwise, you must acknowledge, would be unchristian.

    I will expect a prompt response to this request. I trust that your
    responding in observance of Christian principles and in compliance with
    existing laws will save me the trouble of taking further action.

    I look forward to your reply.

    Sincerely,

    R. V. Franz

    Following is a copy of statements made by the Lycos network referred to:


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    9/11/02




    through Lycos on one of our free homepage services. You should
    understand that the content to which you have referred have has been
    stored on the Lycos system solely at the direction of a Lycos user and
    has not been initially reviewed, monitored, or edited by Lycos
    employees. Lycos users bear sole responsibility for such material, and
    Lycos Inc. has no knowledge of the specific contents of member
    directories.

    Lycos Inc. fully complies with all intellectual property laws. In
    particular, when the owner of an exclusive right is concerned that this
    right is infringed by material placed on a provider's system or network
    by a subscriber of that provider the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
    ("DMCA") provides certain procedures to ensure that infringing materials
    are removed without wrongfully injuring the subscriber or unduly
    burdening the provider.

    Upon receipt of a proper notification, Lycos Inc. will respond
    expeditiously to remove or disable access to the materials properly
    identified in the notification. Lycos Inc. will provide a copy of the
    notification to the subscriber and give the subscriber an opportunity to
    respond.


    Sincerely,

    Eric
    Registered Copyright Agent
    Terra Lycos Network

    Hello Ray,

    The owner of the Angelfire site found at:

    http://www.angelfire.com/home/dkmcoc/

    - has been informed of your copyright complaint. In accordance with the
    DMCA, their site has been removed. In the event that they elect to
    contest this action, they will be furnished with guidelines in order to
    so, along with a copy of your infringement notice.

    Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

    Sincerely,

    Eric
    Registered Copyright Agent
    Terra Lycos Network
  • logansrun
    logansrun

    What is the point of this?

    B

  • Simon
    Simon
    What is the point of this?

    Good question !

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    I thought it was an administration newsletter

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    The point is.........DON'T MESS WITH RAY'S WORK!

  • izobcenec
    izobcenec

    Hmmm...I smell a rat...check this out: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/56146/1.ashx

  • Brummie
    Brummie

    There is NO WAY that is a letter written by Ray Franz. Puuurlease. How stupid do you think we are?

    durr

    Brummie

  • Gamaliel
    Gamaliel

    As much as I love Ray and his work, I wouldn't doubt if there is some truth behind this issue. I've called him up to ask him why he hasn't said anything about certain issues that people are anxious for him to address. And I've spoken to him most recently about his take on the meaning of a recent WT article. I am not anxious personally to ask him about this issue only because it's not my business -- and it is his business.

    Those who try to provide for themself, their wife, and in his case someone who has also spent his own money to help other people are not as likely to want to allow free distribution of their work on the Internet. In the case of books still in print with a fairly small audience of interest the Internet will cut into Ray and Cynthia's income. In the case of a corporation I might look at this a little differently. His material and his ability to write is all he has to survive on. exJWs are not trying to support him with donations.

    I suspect that he truly is concerned that people will take his material and use it in ways that he cannot control, especially if what he says in the letter is true. Not being terribly Internet-savvy (or even if he is Internet-savvy) he may have a reasonable fear that his words will be edited, plaigarized, mixed without care into the words of others, which will make him ultimately appear potentially dishonest, and his work will lose its value and impact. I doubt that Ray is really ready for the Internet generation that would love to see everything free on the Net. He is still from the old school that says we should take care not to steal, not to break copyright laws and other laws. Furthermore, I don't see anything in the writing that makes me think it couldn't be his.

    I personally admit that I look at printing corporations and music publishing corporations a little differently. They can often find a steady stream of many potential sources of income. If corporations wish to keep tight controls over the copyrights of out of print or hard-to-find material, I'm all for taking advantage of Internet distribution. But it's a lot easier to rationalize taking from a corporate publisher, than from a publisher who is trying to keep a business model profitable enough to help distribute his books, Jonnson's books, etc. I don't know if his business is making money or losing money, but I'd hate to see it close down (for lack of profits) any earlier than it has to.

    Gamaliel

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Hello Gamaliel,

    Those who try to provide for themself, their wife, and in his case someone who has also spent his own money to help other people are not as likely to want to allow free distribution of their work on the Internet. In the case of books still in print with a fairly small audience of interest the Internet will cut into Ray and Cynthia's income.

    Ray is not opposed to putting his work on the internet. He has it available in several languages on the internet. He is presently working with a friend to even put the English version on the internet. You are right though, his meals come from book sales and if it were not for living like he and Cynthia were still in the missionary work they would not make ends meet.

    I suspect that he truly is concerned that people will take his material and use it in ways that he cannot control,

    That is it. And it has happened. Those who ask and meet his goals and standards have been given permission. This makes me wonder about the purpose of posting this letter on the net whether it is genuine or not.

    Jst2laws

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Is this our old pal Kent?

    His forum contains a similar post, here's how he intoduces it, under the title "F*** Ray Franz!"

    I just received this email from mr. Ray Franz. As usual, I might add. During the years I've got a lot of them, but now I believe the rest of the world can see what this is like as well:

    quote:
    letter of Raymond Franz a administrador of www.atalaya.org
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    Englishman

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