JW Children and Immunizations

by LDH 47 Replies latest jw friends

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Six, your daughter *has* been to the Dr. for well child visits, right?

    Absolutely not. We're intelligent people. We know when we are sick and when we are well. I think most people do themselves a great disservice by their medical wimpiness. Dr's are good for disease and emergencies and real sickness. They aren't needed for probably 70% of the things people go to them for.

    Like my philosophy or hate it, but you can't say a person like me has contributed to silly, stupid things like the resistance to antibiotics.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    I am not criticising anyone's decision on this, but you are only able to choose against the jabs because most parents do get their kids vaccinated.

    I won't argue that. I think it's the truth. But that's the deal... things change. I don't think anyone would argue that one should immunize for "traditions" sake, but I think that's what it boils down to for many people. Especially in this day and age, I think one can spot medical trends very quickly, and if dangers ever reappeared, then my decisions would change accordingly. It really is a gamble in a way, I think we made the better bet.

  • obiwan
    obiwan

    I think we made the better bet.

    If a parent decides to help thier children, it's always a good decision.

  • siegswife
    siegswife

    I was always a bit leary of immunizations, but I figure the benefit outweighs the risk. The DPT shot that children now receive doesn't carry the same risks as the one in the past. The US has finally started using the one that was developed by the Japanese and isn't as potentially harmful as the old one.

    Six, regarding this statement

    Like my philosophy or hate it, but you can't say a person like me has contributed to silly, stupid things like the resistance to antibiotics.

    When you take your kids to the doctor it's still ultimately up to the you whether follow their advice or not.

    For example, my daughter was born with a soft cleft palate. Basically, that's when the soft palate in the back of the mouth is attached incorrectly. They had to wait until she was 6 months old to correct it and when they sent me the information regarding what would take place I noticed that they were also planning on putting tubes in her ears. I called the doctor to inquire why. She informed me that it's a precautionary measure because children with this problem often have alot of ear infections. I told her that since my daughter had not yet had an ear infection I couldn't see fixing something that wasn't broke and we wouldn't be getting the tubes put in her ears. To this day she has never had an ear infection and has never had to take antibiotics for any reason. Like your daughter, mine is in excellent health. I still take her for her yearly well check, and the doctors have always given her a clean bill of health.

  • ninecharger
    ninecharger

    In some ways it is fair enough not to go to the doc unless you are obviously ill.

    However some diseases, which are curable if caught early, show no symptoms until it is too late.

    I now have a three yearly colonoscopy, and an annual check on my prostate. Since my cancer scare, I am only too aware of the risks, and I think I owe it to my loved ones not to leave them in the lurch unnecessarily.

    I am not a doctor, but are there any childhood diseases that do not present symptoms until things are really bad?

    9

    Obiwan: Is it always a good decision? What about Witless parents in the 1930s who refused vaccinations, only to see their kid die or be maimed from measles or typhoid?

    What about those who honestly believe they are helping their child by refusing a blood transfusion? Far more people die or are harmed from this procedure worldwide than from vaccinations... especially in countries where blood donors are paid.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Sources:

    http://www.doh.wa.gov/cfh/Immunize/childhood.htm

    http://www.pkids.org/notvaccinating.htm

    Immunizations protect children against: hepatitis B, polio, measles, mumps, rubella (German measles), pertussis (whooping cough), diphtheria, tetanus (lockjaw), Haemophilus influenzae type b, pneumococcal infections, and chickenpox. All of these immunizations need to be given before children are 2 years old in order for them to be protected during their most vulnerable period.

    Because parents today rarely see the devastating effects of diseases like polio and whooping cough, they might wonder why immunizing their children is still important

    Vaccines not only protect the child who receives the immunization; they also protect every one of us from these terrible diseases. The more children who have been vaccinated, the greater the protection for children and adults who haven’t received all their vaccinations.

    Infants are often more vulnerable to disease

    than older children and adults because their immune systems cannot easily fight off bacteria or viruses. Often, the effects of disease are more serious in infants than in older children.

    Many vaccine-preventable diseases have no cure or treatment.

    Here is an idea of the effects of vaccinating and not vaccinating.

    Polio

    Prior to vaccination, between 13,000 and 20,000 polio cases of paralytic poliomyelitis were reported each year in the United States.

    In 1996, because of a global effort to eliminate the disease through vaccination, there were only 3,500 documented cases of polio in the world. Wild polioviruses have been eliminated in the entire Western Hemisphere.

    If we were to discontinue polio vaccination in the United States, immunity to polio would decline, leading to the risk of polio epidemics similar to those that occurred in the past.

    Measles

    Before measles immunizations were available, nearly everyone in the United States got measles. There were about 3-4 million cases each year. An average of 450 measles-associated deaths were reported each year between 1953 and 1963.

    In industrialized countries, up to 20 percent of people with measles are hospitalized, and 7-9 percent suffer from complications such as pneumonia, diarrhea or ear infections. Some people with measles develop encephalitis, and 1:1,000 people with measles die.

    Widespread use of the vaccine has led to >95 percent reduction in measles.

    Measles still occurs throughout the world, and is frequently imported into the United States. In 1995, there were 1.1 million deaths worldwide from measles. If vaccinations were stopped, 2.7 million deaths could be expected.

    Stopping measles vaccination would probably lead to massive epidemics similar to those that occurred in the pre-vaccine era. Between 1989 and 1991, the number of reported measles cases rose sharply, with >55,000 cases, 11,000 hospitalizations and 120 deaths reported. The major cause of the outbreak was low rates of vaccination among preschool children.

    Haemophilus influenzae

    type b meningitis

    Before Hib immunization, Hib was the most common cause of bacterial meningitis in U.S. infants and children. Before the vaccine, there were about 20,000 invasive Hib cases annually. About two-thirds were meningitis. Up to 8,000 cases of life-threatening invasive Hib disease – bacteremia, pneumonia or epiglottitis – also occurred annually. 1:200 U.S. children younger than 5 got Hib disease. Hib meningitis killed 600 children each year, and left many survivors with deafness, seizures or mental retardation.

    Since the introduction of the vaccine in 1987, the incidence of Hib has declined by 97-99 percent. Fewer than 10 fatal cases of invasive Hib diseases were reported in 1995.

    Without vaccination, this disease would likely cause the same amount of disease and deaths that it caused before the vaccines were developed.

    Pertussis

    Before pertussis immunizations were available, nearly all children developed pertussis. In the United States, prior to pertussis immunizations, between 150,000 and 260,000 cases of pertussis were reported each year with up to 9,000 pertussis-related deaths.

    Pertussis can be a severe illness, resulting in prolonged coughing and vomiting spells that can last for weeks. These spells can make it difficult for a child to eat, drink and breathe. In infants, it can cause pneumonia and lead to brain damage, seizures and mental retardation.

    During the 1970s, widespread concerns about the safety of pertussis immunization led to a rapid fall in immunization levels in the United Kingdom. Within several years, a series of pertussis epidemics occurred; >100,000 cases and 36 deaths due to pertussis were reported in one epidemic in the mid-1970s.

    Concerns over vaccine safety have been addressed with the newer acellular pertussis vaccine, which is effective and is associated with fewer and milder adverse reactions than the whole-cell product.

    In Japan, pertussis vaccination coverage fell 80 percent in 1974 to 20 percent in 1979. An epidemic occurred in 1979, resulting in >13,000 cases and 41 deaths.

    If we stopped giving pertussis vaccine in the U.S., we would experience a massive resurgence of disease. A recent study found that, in eight countries where immunization coverage was reduced, incidence rates of pertussis surged to 10-100 times the rates in countries where vaccination rates were sustained.

    Rubella

    While rubella is usually mild in children and adults, up to 90 percent of infants born to mothers infected with rubella during the first trimester of pregnancy will develop congenital rubella syndrome, resulting in heart defects, cataracts, mental retardation and deafness.

    In 1964-65, before U.S. rubella immunization was used routinely, there was an epidemic of rubella that resulted in an estimated 20,000 infants born with CRS, with 2,100 neonatal deaths and 11,250 miscarriages. Of the 20,000 infants born with CRS, 11,600 were deaf, 3,580 were blind and 1,800 were mentally retarded.

    If immunity to rubella were to decline, rubella would return, resulting in pregnant women becoming infected and giving birth to infants with CRS.

    The above information covers five of the 10 vaccine-preventable diseases against which children are routinely vaccinated. Stopping vaccination would also cause major increases in diphtheria, tetanus, hepatitis B, varicella and mumps.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    What about those who honestly believe they are helping their child by refusing a blood transfusion? Far more people die or are harmed from this procedure worldwide than from vaccinations... especially in countries where blood donors are paid.

    That's not a valid comparison. The benefits of blood transfusion are immediate and quantifiable, it's not hard to show that from a medical standpoint those people are wrong. For that matter, it's not too hard to show from a biblical standpoint as well.

  • obiwan
    obiwan

    Obiwan: Is it always a good decision? What about Witless parents in the 1930s who refused vaccinations, only to see their kid die or be maimed from measles or typhoid?

    Ummm, I did say help, as in gettin the vaccinations.

  • ninecharger
    ninecharger

    Having just read BLONDIE'S post, I just hold up my hands and say "It's up to you."

    Obi: you said when a parent decides to help a child it is ALWAYS a right decision...

    BLONDIE: (The one dat knows) Any news of asymptomatic childhood diseases?

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    "Thinking people would rather have smallpox than vaccination, because the latter sows seeds of syphilis, cancers, eczema, erysipelas, scrofula, consumption, even leprosy and many other loathsome affections. Hence the practice of vaccinations is a crime, an outrage, and a delusion" (Golden Age, Jan. 5,1929, p. 502)

    "Vaccination never prevented anything and never will, and is the most barbarous practice. . . . We are in the last days; and the devil is slowly losing his hold, making a strenuous effort meanwhile to do all the damage he can, and to his credit can such evils be placed. . . . Use your rights as American citizens to forever abolish the devilish practice of vaccinations." (Golden Age, Oct. 12, 1921, p. 17)


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