Cancer has been with us for a long time

by Coded Logic 32 Replies latest social current

  • cofty
    cofty

    Vidqun every time you write something you undermine your grandiose claims about your professional qualifications.

    Your question about the evolution of cancer is possibly the dumbest thing I have read on JWN since you accused scientists of being disciples of Dagon.

    For the third time - What is the most significant difference between the human and primate knee joints?

  • Vidqun
    Vidqun

    WhatshallIcallmyself, I've been wondering the same thing. Isn't evolutionary change part and parcel of the evolution theory? Why would some life forms change and others stay the same for millions of years? That is the question.

  • cofty
    cofty
    Why would some life forms change and others stay the same for millions of years?

    Change only occurs if there is selection pressure on the particular population. Some species are very similar to they way their ancestors looked millennia ago. Others have changed significantly.

    Species that live in stable environments such as the depths of the oceans change less. That is why coelacanths show less change.

    For the fourth time - What is the most significant difference between the human and primate knee joints?

  • cofty
    cofty

    OK let me give you a clue.

    Stand up.

    Imagine you have lost the ability to fully straighten your knee joints. So bend your knees slightly.

    Now start walking around.

    Tell me when it starts to hurt.

  • Vidqun
    Vidqun
    Your question about the evolution of cancer is possibly the dumbest thing I have read on JWN since you accused scientists of being disciples of Dagon.

    I find it interesting that you ridicule above notion. You are actually ridiculing the following scientist:

    Therein lies a tantalizing mystery: In the time since that nameless unlucky soul got bone cancer, massive evolutionary changes have occurred. Things changed. Humans changed. Why didn't the cancer?

    Scientists don't have the answer. "What we do have is that these types of cancers existed so many years ago, and we are seeing the same thing today." Odes said. "Normally, in an evolutionary biological situation, you'd see change." 1

    1. Scientists find cancer in million-year-old fossil by AJ Willingham, CNN.

    Are you talking about the sesamoid bones? Big difference between simian and human? And not something that will change without the help of the genetic engineers.

    Sorry, you are forcing me to quote myself. Are you referring to the sesamoid bones?

  • Coded Logic
    Coded Logic

    Sorry, linked the wrong paper in my OP. Here's the correct one:

    file:///home/chronos/u-e33153ad3c668a4fe36e2f3d9f2665dbd8596045/Downloads/SAJS%20112_7-8_Odes_Research%20Article.pdf

  • Coded Logic
    Coded Logic
    That's why they are referred to as apes and not humans.
    - Vidqun


    Humans are apes. We belong in the category of "ape" much in the same way we belong in the category of mammals. But australopithecus isn't just an ape. It belongs to in even more specific sub category - hominin - of which we humans also belong. But chimpanzees do NOT belong.

    You're trying to draw a distinction saying australopithecus and chimpanzees belong to a group different from humans. When, in fact, the complete opposite is true. Australopithecus and humans belong to a group that chipmanzees do not belong to.

  • StarTrekAngel
    StarTrekAngel

    I thought that when scientist say that a certain human ancestor or ape walked upright it meant they did so habitually. Not as an exception to get around a problem.

    If just because they have the physical ability to stand in two legs then I have a new respect for my dog.

  • konceptual99
    konceptual99

    What a coincidence. I was reading about this in New Scientist at the meeting last night then using it in my first ever reverse cart witnessing activity today.

  • John_Mann
    John_Mann

    According to Catholicism the human body was formed through evolution.

    At one point God inserted a soul (directly created) in one humanoid and then he became the first man.

    Before the insertion of a soul, it was an animal subjected to physical death as any animal.

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