the-question (607 BCE explained and proved) (page 7)

wizzstick

539 is a verifiable, historical fact. It is indisputable.

539 is calculated using secular sources. The same indisputable secular sources that point to 587. You managed to read all of GTR and not pick up on that?

the 607 vs. 587 was important for me and my mss. reading Jer. 25 (jw.org version rev. 2013) clearly shows that: the nations around Jerusalem and Judah and Judah itself would have to serve Babylon for 70 Years. "But when 70 years have been fulfilled,+ I will call to account* the king of Babylon and that nation for their error". as Fisherman wrote, this was documented to happen in 539. "a verifiable, historical fact. It is indisputable". Then i used the Insight book to establish what happened in the 70 years before 539. so from 609 to 539. Reading the insight book, it was easy to establish that Nabopallassar, Nebukadnezars father, made babylon the regional superpower in 609, by conquering Haran, and that the line of kings till 539 lastet exactly 70 years, just as Jeremiah had written. i came to this conclusion by reading the bible and the insight book only, i was unaware of any previously written books about this. it proved the bible was right, and the society had been lying to us

Hoffnung

607 indeed has no meaning indeed, were it not to establish 1914. Why was it important back then to establish 1914? to put a date on the return of Christ. but this was tried and done multiple times over in the US in the 19th century. Miller did it in 1834, 1844 and later it was moved to 1874. and that is the crux, isn't it. it is because people were not able to accept that Christ did not come in 1844, they 1st said it was invisible, and later postponed the date. 1914 was just another exercise in 19th century date guessing. After all the technological progress made over 20th and 21st century, the progress in history research, etc.. JW only exist because Miller tried to establish a date of the return of Christ, in the 19th century. How stupid must i have been to rely for all the big choices in life onto such a backward story... if you are aware of this history, 1914 does not matter any more. Jesus did not come in 1844, 1874, 1914, or any other recent date. according to the bible, he came in 70 C.E., with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. trying to establish a 2nd return in our times, has no foundation in the bible

wizzstick

Jeremiah 25:12 “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.

Then i used the Insight book to establish what happened in the 70 years before 539. so from 609 to 539.

Yes good point.

The 70 years have to finish at 539 - if you're take the exegesis approach. But the WT has to take the eisegesis approach.

The other point to note that the Bible states that the land of the Chaldeans would be a desolate wasteland for all time.

That land today is a mixture of Iran/Iraq/Syria. And it has millions of inhabitants! So the Bible was wrong.

Hoffnung

i was and am not interested in exegesis or eisegesis. Back then, the bible was to be understood literally, as it was written. if the Babylonians were to be called to account, then it happened in 539. point. Today i know lots of stories in the bible only have the value of fairy tales, and nothing more (the flood, Adam & Eve). But that has no place in this thread.

and the city of Babylon was eventually destroyed more than 1000 years ago and has not been rebuilt until today. and nobody is living there. not that i care now, but also in this the bible was right.

wizzstick

But that has no place in this thread.

It does - because if the Bible is demonstrably wrong then it's waste of time talking about its prophecies.

Hoffnung

No, the bible is not one book, but many. and many different men wrote parts of it, spread over 100s of years. some stuff can be proven to be correct, and some stuff can be proven to be incorrect, and for some stuff there is no way to prove either way. making an argument for or against the trustworthiness of the entire bible is futile. you have to decide which parts you accept and/or reject.

wizzstick

you have to decide which parts you accept and/or reject.

I accept it as a Book written by various men 2,000 - 3,000 years ago. It's one of the most important collection of historical manuscripts ever.

But it's claim to be inspired by God is of course laughably untrue.

It's claim about what would happen to the Land of the Chaldeans is just one of many examples.

Hoffnung

this thread is not about that, it is about 607 vs. 587

Finkelstein

Another perspective to take in the WTS's dating of 607 BCE and 1914 AD is why no other Jewish sect Orthodox or otherwise supports that date of Jerusalem destruction in date or compelling significance in religious theology ?

Why in all of the hundreds of other Christian based faiths have they not confirmed this date or calculated the 2520 years to arrive at 1914 as being Christ's return ?

The only true answer to that is because its not true and to even calculate a date of Christ's return is going against " his " instruction for preaching the Gospel.

The real inherent reason the WTS took this calculation (doctrine) on was because it was devised as a attention grabbing marketing tool for the proliferation of the literature the WTS published.

Now the WTS's GB heads have to deal with it.

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