the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

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  schnell

  607 vs. 587 was important for me and my mss. reading Jer. 25 (jw.org version rev. 2013) clearly shows that: the nations around Jerusalem and Judah and Judah itself would have to serve Babylon for 70 Years. "But when 70 years have been fulfilled,+ I will call to account* the king of Babylon and that nation for their error". as Fisherman wrote, this was documented to happen in 539. "a verifiable, historical fact. It is indisputable". Then i used the Insight book to establish what happened in the 70 years before 539. so from 609 to 539. Reading the insight book, it was easy to establish that Nabopallassar, Nebukadnezars father, made babylon the regional superpower in 609, by conquering Haran, and that the line of kings till 539 lastet exactly 70 years, just as Jeremiah had written. i came to this conclusion by reading the bible and the insight book only, i was unaware of any previously written books about this. it proved the bible was right, and the society had been lying to us
  

  Very interesting!

  In 609 BC, Josiah was notably killed in the battle at Megiddo against Pharaoh Neccho, wherein he was allied with the Babylonians against the Egyptians and Assyrians. Set the timer for 70 years starting here.

  4 years later, Nebuchadnezzar fought Pharaoh Neccho at the Battle of Charchemish. Nabopolassar died of natural causes and Nebuchadnezzar became king.

  But 2 years after Josiah's death and 2 years before Nabopolassar's death, what happened in 607 BC? NOTHING.
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  fastJehu

  Hoffnung
  and the city of Babylon was eventually destroyed more than 1000 years ago
  and has not been rebuilt until today. and nobody is living there.
  not that i care now, but also in this the bible was right.

  Nobody?

  Saddam Hussein rebuild the palace of Nebuchadnezzar.

  You can have a close look via google maps into this region - how it looks like today:

  https://www.google.de/maps/place/Hilla,+Irak/@32.5449273,44.4157196,6858m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x1558e2ff01db52b9:0xa59de3214124678b!8m2!3d32.4773359!4d44.4276206

  Here are a german report about Babylon today:

  http://www.zeit.de/2009/31/A-Babylon
  
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  wizzstick

  the city of Babylon was eventually destroyed more than 1000 years ago and has not been rebuilt until today. and nobody is living there.

  It is being rebuilt and has been (on and off) since the 1980s.
  

  Bringing Babylon back from the dead
  
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  Diogenesister

  David_Jay I am getting help from some rabbinical assistance as I write this. Right now they are explaining to me that the real error in the Witnesses dating is that they are counting 70 years as if they are SOLAR, but in reality the 70 years are LUNAR

  Funny they count the 70 years as solar, and yet when they calculate the date of the memorial they use lunar months as per the Jewish calender.
  
  
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  Rattigan350

  JWs are correct about 607 and 1914. Somewhat. The theory behind it is that Jehovah told David that his offspring would sit on Jehovah's throne forever culminating in Jesus. But when Jesus was on earth he didn't become king. Infact at that time, David's offspring were no longer in power on Jehovah's throne. Did Jehovah's statement fail?

  No, it was paused. The kings in the line of David lost power when they became subject to another government. That happened in 607. In 587 Jerusalem was destroyed. 11 years prior, in 598, Zedekiah became king. 11 years and months prior to that in 610, Jehoiakim became king. Daniel said that 3 years after that, 607, captives were taken. Thus 607 is when the kings in the line of David lost sovereignty for 2520 years until 1914 when Jesus became king.
  
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  Finkelstein

  607 is not correct and there is now cuneiform tablets discovered to support what was previously framed as to what happen in relation with the king of Babylon Nebuchadnezzar.

  In 605 BC, Nebuchadnezzar II, king of Babylon defeated Pharaoh Necho at the Battle of Carchemish, and subsequently invaded Judah. To avoid the destruction of Jerusalem, King Jehoiakim of Judah, in his third year, changed allegiances from Egypt to Babylon. He paid tribute from the treasury in Jerusalem, some temple artifacts and some of the royal family and nobility as hostages.[1] In 601 BC, during the fourth year of his reign, Nebuchadnezzar unsuccessfully attempted to invade Egypt and was repulsed with heavy losses. The failure led to numerous rebellions among the states of the Levant which owed allegiance to Babylon, including Judah, where King Jehoiakim stopped paying tribute to Nebuchadnezzar[2] and took a pro-Egyptian position.

  Nebuchadnezzar soon dealt with these rebellions. According to the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle,[3] he laid siege to Jerusalem, which eventually fell on 2 Adar (March 16) 597 BC. The Chronicle states:

  In the seventh year [of Nebuchadnezzar, 598 BC] in the month Chislev [November/December] the king of Babylon assembled his army, and after he had invaded the land of Hatti (Syria/Palestine) he laid siege to the city of Judah. On the second day of the month of Adar [16 March] he conquered the city and took the king [Jeconiah] prisoner. He installed in his place a king [Zedekiah] of his own choice, and after he had received rich tribute, he sent forth to Babylon.[4]

  Jehoiakim died during the siege, possibly on 22 Marcheshvan (December 10) 598 BC,[5] or during the months of Kislev,[6] or Tevet.[7] Nebuchadnezzar pillaged the city and its Temple, and the new king Jeconiah, who was either 8 or 18, and his court and other prominent citizens and craftsmen, and much of the Jewish population of Judah, numbering about 10,000 were deported to Babylon.[8] The deportation occurred prior to Nisan of 597 BC, and dates in the Book of Ezekiel are counted from that event.[9] A biblical text reports, "None remained except the poorest people of the land". Also, taken to Babylon were the treasures and furnishings of the Temple, including golden vessels dedicated by King Solomon.(2 Kings 24:13–14)

  The events are described in the Nevi'im and Ketuvim sections of the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible, also known as the Old Testament). The first deportation is the start of the Jewish Diaspora (or exile). (2 Kings 24:10–16) Nebuchadnezzar installed Jeconiah's uncle, Zedekiah as puppet-king of Judah, and Jeconiah was compelled to remain in Babylon.[10] The start of Zedekiah's reign has been variously dated within a few weeks before,[11] or after[12][13] the start of Nisan 597 BC.
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  wizzstick

  JWs are correct about 607 and 1914.

  until 1914 when Jesus became king.
  

  If you believe this sky fairy nonsense then Jesus became King in 33CE.

  Matt 28:18 - Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.

  According to the Bible Jesus got all authority in heaven and in earth in 33CE. What more power can you have in heaven and earth than all? What was left to be given when you have it all?
  
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  Dunedain

  The only "true" way of figuring all this out, is the perspective of these dates. For instance, is it Shire reckoning, or the Elven calendar, or is it perhaps the calendar, and timeline of the Gondorians. Did the Istari Wizards, sent by the great Valar, have anything to do with forging the timeline?

  Was the destruction, perhaps NOT done by the Babylonians, but instead by a great Goblin horde, led by a half-orc named Azog. Speaking of "half-orcs", maybe, just maybe, it was a large, hunting orc party, riding upon the backs of direwolves, that felled the great city of Jerusalem.

  Now THAT would be some "unclean things", defiling the temple, am I right? Now, lets not forget that 70 years, if orcs DID destroy Jerusalem, could ONLY have been 70 Lunar years, as orcs cannot be in direct sunlight, and most likely, would have had to stop their whole destruction thing every morning at sunset.

  More importantly, when we count the 2520 years from this destruction, a GIANT invisible Dragon went to war, in another dimension, called the spirit world, with a God-Prince named Michael. The battle might have lasted, like a year and half, or something like that, and the "good guys" had bird wings, but the "bad guys" had bat wings, and were all kicked out of Middle Earth, or maybe Westeros.

  And if we count over 100 years from that, there is currently a 7 headed wild beast, dragon, that has a female rider on her named Khaleesi. Also we shouldn't have pre marital sex, because this Dragon wants to devour us, like a lion, and we should ONLY listen to 7 guys who are old, and come from Brooklyn, and know EVERYTHING, and maybe there is 7 of them, for each of the 7 heads of the dragon, or maybe not.
  
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  Jeffro

  Hoffnung:

  and the city of Babylon was eventually destroyed more than 1000 years ago and has not been rebuilt until today. and nobody is living there. not that i care now, but also in this the bible was right.

  Actually, the area that 'has not been rebuilt' (which has actually been partially rebuilt) only refers to a small area of ruins a few hundred metres across that is preserved as a heritage site. Anyone who thinks that small area was the entire city of Babylon is either unaware of the facts, or extremely dishonest (and apparently they think that the Babylonians as well as all the exiled Jews as well as exiles from other nations - supposedly including the entire population of Egypt for a time - were confined to that small area??!!). The ruins are just outside the city of Hillah, which has a population of a few hundred thousand, and is the administrative city of Babylon Province, which has over 1 million people.
  
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  Jeffro

  Rattigan350:

  JWs are correct about 607 and 1914. Somewhat. The theory behind it is that Jehovah told David that his offspring would sit on Jehovah's throne forever culminating in Jesus. But when Jesus was on earth he didn't become king. Infact at that time, David's offspring were no longer in power on Jehovah's throne. Did Jehovah's statement fail?

  No, it was paused. The kings in the line of David lost power when they became subject to another government. That happened in 607. In 587 Jerusalem was destroyed. 11 years prior, in 598, Zedekiah became king. 11 years and months prior to that in 610, Jehoiakim became king. Daniel said that 3 years after that, 607, captives were taken. Thus 607 is when the kings in the line of David lost sovereignty for 2520 years until 1914 when Jesus became king.

  Nope. Only one person is ever described as being on 'Jehovah's throne' in the 'Old Testament'. Solomon. No one else. Jeremiah 3:14-17 indicates that even during the reign of 'good' king Josiah, rule from Jerusalem was not considered to represent “Jehovah’s throne”, which was only seen as a future event.

  Additionally, not only is the starting year Rattigan has provided for Jehoiakim's reign completely wrong, but his reckoning of Daniel's reference to 'third year' is also wrong, because it fails to take into account the fact that Daniel uses accession-year dating. The reference to Jehoiakim's 'third year' in Daniel in fact refers to Jehoiakim's paying tribute to Nebuchadnezzar in early 604 BCE, which can be verified by comparison with BM 21946. After 3 full years (604, 603 and 602, all starting from Nisan) of paying tribute, he refused, in early 600 BCE (before Nisan, meaning 601 was not a full year of paying tribute), which can also be verified from 2 Kings 24:1 and BM 21946.