"Most women would prefer to be stay at home housewives. Women's lib did alot of damage to women!"

by purrpurr 70 Replies latest jw friends

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  DesirousOfChange

  It is a strange setup how many women now have to work to earn for the household and to pay for someone else to care for their kids, especially during their early years.

  When we began to have children, we decided that it would be best if they were raised by (at least) one of their parents. Somehow though, my wife refused to let me quit my job.
  

  I see a lot of women who failed to realize how much work it was raising a child (esp a toddler) and are happy to go back to work and pay someone else to care for their kids.

  Doc
  
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  LoveUniHateExams

  The feminist movement has historically done much for women's rights and equality, but seems to be in danger of losing its way over the past couple of decades, IMO.

  In addition to its disgraceful reticence re. FGM, Germaine Greer has recently attracted the wrath of the diversity brigade regarding her comments on transsexuals, having been originally prevented from speaking at a British university.

  The spectacle of Ms. Greer on the one hand, and university students with their precious sensibilities on the other, trading angry or frosty exchanges is, I freely confess, absolutely hilarious for a white, cis-gendered, heterosexual bigot like me.

  There's nowt so queer as folk
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  YinzerDad

  Several thoughts.

  1) Her use of "housewives" is telling. A "housewife" almost necessarily implies subservience. Which any goose-stepping, dyed-in-the wool Dub is going to eat up.

  2) Feeding off of No. 1, subservience is the theme of Dub-ism. I remember well any complaints I voiced over my fiance (now wife) to my mother regarding managing certain issues being met with "the woman is the weaker vessel." As a man, nothing got me fired up more than hearing that. Women aren't incompetents. They're people. Yet the pervasive, repetitive drivel getting heaped upon the everyday Dub says that women are essentially lesser.

  3) This and the blood issue is why I will fight, tooth and nail, to keep my family from indoctrinating my daughter. Her life will be difficult enough as a woman. She doesn't need additional institutional religio-misogynism to trip her up. Which will also make her complete b*tch to any boys that come around. Which will be fantastic.
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  Xanthippe

  As usual I want to yell, read history books please. Women have always worked whether they had six or sixteen children. With their babies strapped to their backs they have worked in the fields. They have taken in washing, cleaned other people's houses, looked after or taught other people's children, cooked for other families and then gone home and done the same for their own family.

  Now they are doctors, lawyers, politicians, chief executives of industry. The fact they can earn enough for child care - and they don't have to have a dozen babies is a huge, huge step forward. They don't wreck their health trying to be more than a cleaner or washer of other people's knickers or toilets and doing all the child care. Thank god, or rather thank the suffragettes and the male politicians who supported them.

  The Women's Liberation movement didn't come up with the idea of women working outside the home. Women have been working outside the home, growing crops or earning money for thousands of years to feed their children
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  LisaRose

  It's not just the JWs, a lot of people seem to believe this. Of course some women do want to stay home, especially when their children are small, but not all women do. I wanted to do that myself but wasn't given a choice, as my first husband couldn't keep a job and I wasn't willing to live on welfare. In the end I think I was better off working, I enjoyed my work and it felt good to be able to support myself and I ended up doing things I would never have thought possible. Despite having no degree, I was a systems analyst for a large corporation.

  People knock feminism, but a lot of those people benefited from the work of feminists. if it wasn't for them we wouldn't have equal pay and sexual harassment laws. I have seen help wanted ads from the thirties and forties, jobs were classified by race and sex, if you were a woman you could only apply for certain jobs, I don't think anybody wants to go back to that, nor should we have to put up with sexual harassment. Like any cause there are extremists, but that doesn't negate the progress that has been made.

  My daughter in law blogs about her life as a working mom, she does feel conflicted at times, but she has a great job in education where she feels she is making a difference, and her daughter is thriving. As hard as it is sometimes, she knows she made the right choice. That's what it comes down to, women have a choice now, it's a good thing. In many European countries people can stay home longer with their children, I would like to see better parental leave here in the US, that way parents can have those first few months home with their children while not losing everything they worked for. Some companies have that now, but it's not common.
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  Vidiot

  I've been a "househusband" a couple times (between jobs) while my wife worked.

  I actually rather liked it.
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  truthseeker100

  http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/canada-s-outspoken-miss-world-contestant-denied-entry-to-china-to-compete-in-pageant-1.2120228

  Too bad more JW women were not more like her. A very courageous person with a history similar to many JW women.
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  Village Idiot

  Simon:

  "It is a strange setup how many women now have to work to earn for the household and to pay for someone else to care for their kids, especially during their early years."

  I know of a couple where the dad had to remain unemployed at home because if he worked his salary would have all been spent for daycare. It's a Republican economy here in the U.S. and we can no longer afford to have stay at home moms.
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  Finkelstein

  To be honest I think there has been acknowledged gains in woman's liberation over the years but there as been some notable losses as well.
  

  Personally I think stay at home moms had it pretty good although there was boredom to be seen and realized.

  Locked up in a house cooking, looking after children all day, cleaning etc was not perceived to be every woman's choice of lifestyle
  

  The economy as it is today also makes its very difficult for families to existence on a single income alone.

  all of course dependent upon the cost of living to where the family is situated.

  There are certainly a lot more open doors for woman to enter such as in the political field, hell it even looks like the United States is going to have its very first woman President come next year.
  
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  20years_to_get_free

  Wow, there is an awful lot of paternalistic claptrap in this thread. I worked damn hard for my degree, and am a proud and independant woman with a fantastic career. I also have two children. I would not trade my career for anything. Certainly not to stay home because society thinks it's my job to raise my children while my husband keeps a roof over my head. When my children were young, I worked night shift full time so that my husband and I were able to care for them together. Yes, it required sacrifices from all of us, but I will be damned if I will be pigeon holed into the "expected" roles for wives and mothers. My husband does as much for the care of our home and children as I do, and I would not tolerate anything else. We have a joint responsibility to our children and to our future together. Staying home is neither a desire or a goal of mine. Most women my age who I work with feel exactly the same way.