Jesus, without sin and a perfect human being ?

by smiddy3 33 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • smiddy3
    smiddy3

    How could he be, regardless of how God impregnated Mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the Bible.

    Mary was subjected to the Adamic sin like all other humans, so Jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.

    To believe otherwise is just deluding oneself IMHO .

    The only way Jesus could have been really without sin is if God created him the same way he created Adam.

    What do you think ?

  • FFGhost
    FFGhost
    Mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the Bible.

    The Catholics figured this one out many centuries ago.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception



  • waton
    waton

    I see a certain parallel with Eve being the big first stepper in the right/wrong direction, but as far justice is concerned, she, or her act was not held against us. now,

    if Mary died a martyr's death to, we are covered on mother's side too. if

    there ever was a talking snake, not just a story.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    I don't need any more letters Pat, and I'd like to solve the puzzle!

    "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world"... (Genetics 101)

    Sin is an XY-linked trait that can only be passed on by males, but is inherited by both the X & Y chromosomes, affecting males and females.

    Correct !

    Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding

  • Rocketman123
    Rocketman123

    Ancient mythology is a mind twister ain't it ?

    The Jews say Jesus was just a Rabi who taught about the Messiah but followers turned him into the Messiah and stories started to be developed from them.

    In ancient Jewish mythology the Messiah was to come to earth as a god and not a man.

    In other words men developed the Jesus god to whom they wanted him to be, the rest is history.

  • pistolpete
    pistolpete

    There is not such thing as sin.

    People do good things as well as bad things

    Bad things depend on culture and law.

    Having sex with many different women is bad in today's Christian Culture

    Having sex with 1000 concubines and wives was a Blessing from Jehovah, the SAME GOD of today's Christian Culture.

    So in the Old Testament, Jehovah is OK with having many women to have sex with

    In the New Testament Jehovah is not OK with men having sex with many women

    If you Change the New Testament with the Koran, then Jehovah is OK with men having Sex with lots of women.

    SIN IS A FALLACY-----And Jesus was just a dude that came up with some ideas that appealed to a lot of people just like Charles Taze Russell came up with some ideas that appealed to a lot of people.

    Both the teachings of Jesus and Charles Russell eventually evolved into different things and created tons of different sects.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    Jesus was just a dude that came up with some ideas....just like Charles Taze Russell

    Really?

    CT Russell is dead, Muhammed is dead, Lao Tzu is dead, Zeus is dead, Buddha is dead, Plato is dead, Confucius is dead ...... all past teachers are dead, except one.


    The whole world counts time by Jesus' existence because he walked out of a tomb. He said that if you listen to him, you can walk out of your tomb as well. This is what it is all about. You have to give special attention to a man who walks out of a tomb.


    The above 12 facts made popular by Dr. Habermas, are those that the majority of scholars, atheist and otherwise alike concede to be a minimum set of facts surrounding the resurrection of Jesus.

    Until you can come up with plausible explanations for all these minimum facts, you simply are not dealing with what is driving the Christian faith.

    So, here's your chance: What is a plausible scenario that would cause tens of thousands of hard-core orthodox Jews to stop making Saturday their day of rest and worship and change it to Sunday... right in their holy city of Jerusalem? And, be willing to suffer shunning and their own death to do so?

  • pistolpete
    pistolpete

    Really?

    CT Russell is dead, Muhammed is dead, Lao Tzu is dead, Zeus is dead, Plato is dead, Confucius is dead ...... all past teachers are dead, except one.

    Face the facts SB, JESUS IS DEAD.

    Has anyone seen him-----NO!

    Has he ever spoken to you----NO!

    WHY?------BECAUSE HE IS INVISIBLE.

    Where is his Kingdom that he spoke about------IT'S INVISIBLE.

    The whole world counts time by Jesus' existence because he walked out of a tomb. He said that if you listen to him, you can walk out of your tomb as well.

    How many people has he resurrected-----Not one---despite humans haves been here for millions of years.

    JUST NAME ONE PERSON THAT WE ALL KNOW AS PROOF SO WE CAN BELIEVE.

    The above 12 facts made popular by Dr. Habermas, are those that the majority of scholars, atheist and otherwise alike concede to be a minimum set of facts surrounding the resurrection of Jesus

    Really?

    How many scholars are there in the world???------Put the list below of HALF OF THEM that you say concede.

    So, here's your chance: What is a plausible scenario that would cause hard-core orthodox Jews to stop making Saturday their day of rest and worship and change it to Sunday? And, be willing to suffer shunning and their own death to do so?

    Do you know how many WOMEN, CHILDREN, are willing to strap a bomb on themselves and blow themselves up along with the infidels because they have FAITH they are doing the right thing.

    As for the Jews making Saturday their day of rest and worship and change it to Sunday, what does that really prove. JWs don't celebrate Christmas because they believe Jehovah disapproves and are willing die instead of celebrate it. All it means is that they are deluded.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Jesus is nothing more than the archetype of the perfect slave, so it does not matter who its ancestors were.

  • EverApostate
    EverApostate

    As some say here, Sin is a fallacy invented by religions to suppress and dominate humans. And Christianity plays a major part in this downgrading of Humans.

    Yes, Jesus cant be perfect as the JW claim, as he came out of Mary.

    The whole world counts time by Jesus' existence because he walked out of a tomb

    Really ? Even Mohammed made a round trip to heaven on a flying horse, split the moon in two and made water flow from his hands to quench the thirst of his disciples. How about that.

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