Qualifications of Elders

by iiz2cool 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • Euphemism
    Euphemism

    I've known a few elders who were not only spiritual and compassionate men, but also naturally psychologically insightful. They were able to provide help and support to people who were suffering from depression, were victims of sexual abuse, etc.

    The support they were able to provide, however, was the sort that is needed from a trusted, reliable friend. They were not trained counselors. And any elder worth their salt will recommend to anyone suffering from serious emotional problems that they obtain qualified professional help.

  • garybuss
    garybuss



    It seems to me, looking back from this vantage point, many elders were sincere and meant well. Some were very qualified as religious teachers specializing in their chosen religious filed of expertise, Jehovah's Witnesses. They knew doctrine, they knew the rules, they obeyed and they expected obedience from those who promised obedience as a condition of membership.

    Many, like my father, just lived like they were taught by their parents, in the religion they inherited from their parents. They were chosen as leaders in the religion because they were compliant and obedient, not because of their superior intelligence or their advanced education. Where they went wrong is where the Society went wrong. The Society established the criminal court system with the power to investigate complaints, put suspects under surveillance, make arrests, subpoena witnesses, try other members, impose sentencing, and expel unwanted members. This put elders under a competency requirement that many simply were not able to rise to.

    Others, like the elders who were pressured by the Society to become counselors without certification, failed because they had neither the training in the complex areas they were inserting themselves under the Society's directions, or the common sense to know they were incompetent.

    The Society puts these people in a double bind that many I have talked to do not appreciate nor enjoy. The way they do this is this. The Society instructs the group members by their written directions in group published literature, to consult the elders on every possible subject, be it medical treatment, or abuse counseling, or financial planing. Some of these elders refer the Witness people to proper places. Those properly handled events we seldom hear about here. Others blindly try to bluff their way through like the Witnesses who gave Delores medical advise or those who tried to adjust me in my behavior.

    I don't care to defend Jehovah's Witness elders, but to be objective, I will go a short ways up that road.

    I think it boils down to willingness and awareness. Some elders have the willingness to go beyond their own competency and some do not. Some elders are aware they are not competent and some are not. I can think of rational, reasonable Witnesses. Many of those do not want to be elders due to the infighting and the hassles, the time spent and the drain on the personal recourses. Many of those do not qualify for positions due to sexual discrimination practiced within the group, nor would they accept those positions if they were offered. Those who fit this profile and are kind and helpful to my relatives who will not accept kindness and help from me, I thank you. GaryB

    PS: This mood has a very short shelf life. Like milk out of the refrigerator.



  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    I stand by what I said there are one or two elders who are trained mental health specialists for example -- I could quote others and name congregations but then it would reveal my identity --- again I stand by what I said they are there but very rare -- when I say qualified I mean by worlds standards. They do get looked down upon by other elders it is true.

  • Uzzah
    Uzzah
    When you combine that with their haughty attitudes, I felt that they weren't qualified to kiss my left asscheek.

    Walter:

    I certainly hope you didn't ask that former elder you met with last week to do that! LOL He's got major issues with guys asking him to kiss either ass cheek. ROFL

    Now if you had been a tall blonde female, he'd probably take you up on it.

    Seriously, despite his sincerity as an elder he had no real training except that given to him by Bethel. I remember him telling me about his having to give a talk on marriage as a 29 year old single elder. Who was the brain child that came up with that assignment?

    Sometimes the folks in the congregation need professional advice or counsel, not elders, sincere ones nor the cold hearted insensitive arrogant ones. Real loving friends often can do much the same role as what even a sincere elder does and they don't disappear after the crisis is over either.

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    Having served as one, I can say that I flew by the seat of my pants on many issues. All I had in the way of "training" was WTS publications. The bible itself did not really touch on many issues. I saw the same from otehr elders. Consdering the fact that most are family men with full-time jobs and all the congregation stuff to worry about, they have no real time to even read a book, much less get real training.

  • willyloman
    willyloman
    It would be a great surprise -- if not a miracle-- if one were to hear from one of these ...``whoa.. I'm in over my head here; let me refer you to a specialist or point you in the direction of someone who can really help you" to any hapless dub who confides a sensitive issue to him.

    I actually did this several times and, as Blondie points out, advising someone to seek counseling almost always created problems for the would-be advisor. Other elders disagreed with me, often quite vocally. Eventually I learned to wait for an opportune time and offer the counsel privately. Unfortunately, very few of them accepted it! The mindset is just so ingrained....

    One example: a woman with very serious emotional problems affecting her marriage, family life and personal health and happiness, asked me what she could do. I advised professional counseling immediately. She was surprised but appreciative; it made sense to her and just the fact that I held out hope that she could get well seems to lift her spirits.

    I saw her a few days later and she was happy and said she really appreciated the advice and was going to make an appointment with someone. But right after that she decided or was advised to run my suggestion past another elder. He, of course, set her straight and provided her with photocopies of a WT magazine article and told her to follow the counsel in those pages and everything would be fine. He strongly counseled her to avoid "worldly" psychologists, telling her they'd just weaken her faith. That was many months ago. She still has the same serious emotional problems today and won't seek professional help because she's been told by the elder that she just wasn't strong enough spiritually to ward off her illness, and that if she'd just do more.... Well, you know how it goes.

  • iiz2cool
    iiz2cool

    I sure wasn't referring to the former elder I had some beers with last week! He was one of the good ones! Which probably explains why he's no longer there.

    As for the tall blonde, I'll let him know if I find one. That is, after some quality assurance testing of course.

    Walter

  • minimus
    minimus

    Elders are not experts in dealing with marital problems, child abuse or life and death issues. As JT refers to them, as, "the cheese and cracker men", they are the guys you see during the day cutting the cheese and giving them out as samples at Costco or Sam's. They are not anymore qualified to save a life at night as they are during the day. Elders are just "unpaid volunteers" who are "expert" in ZERO.

  • JT
    JT

    Paducah Sun 1-28-01

    Mario Moreno, associate general counsel at the church's New York headquarters,.

    J.R. Brown, public affairs director for the church,

    Both Brown and Moreno said that the elders, who volunteer and are essentially untrained clergy

    yes even the spokesman for the society acknowledges the elders dont' know what the He!! they are doing

  • heathen
    heathen

    Well , I've heard that the road to hell is paved with good intentions . It seems that the basis for christianity was founded on the belief that God will sort things out without the help from worldly people .What could be better than to have friends that really care about you and want to help?

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