Interesting Find with Chronology (page 14)

notsurewheretogo

This thread perfectly highlights why you cannot discuss objectively facts that show the WT is wrong with mentally in JW's.

johnamos

Babylon certainly received a judgement in 539 with its Fall but Jeremiah focussed on a more permanent judgement, one of desolation foretold from Jer.25: 12 onwards.

Wrong again scholar!

Jeremiah's focus concerning the 70 years was that those 70 years would be the period that Babylon would be a world power and during such time the nations would have to serve Babylon as such. Serving Babylon was not dependent on being in captivity or desolate. The serving started as a result of Babylon becoming a world power and it ended when their time as such a power ended.

[Jeremiah 25: 11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and THESE NATIONS will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”’ 12 ‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah,]

[Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy! – The Great Timekeeper, Jehovah, had numbered the days of Babylon’s reign as a world power, and the end was closer than anyone at Belshazzar’s banquet thought.]

[Daniel 5:26 “This is the interpretation of the words: MEʹNE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end.]

[Isaiah’s Prophecy 1 p. 253-254 par. 21 – Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination]

[Jeremiah 27:6 And now I have given all these lands into the hand of my servant King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon; even the wild beasts of the field I have given him to serve him. 7 ALL THE NATIONS WILL HAVE TO SERVE him and his son and his grandson until the time for his own land comes,’8 ‘If any nation or kingdom refuses to serve King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon and refuses to put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, I will punish that nation with the sword, with famine, and with pestilence,’ declares Jehovah, ‘until I have finished them off by his hand.’9 Therefore, do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your magicians, and your sorcerers, who are saying to you: “You will not serve the king of Babylon.” 10 For they are prophesying lies to you, so that you will be taken far away from your land and I will disperse you and you will perish.11 ‘But the nation that brings its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serves him, I will allow to remain on its land,’ declares Jehovah, ‘to cultivate it and dwell in it.]

Rocketman123

One must remember and keep in mind that JWS are trained/brainwashed to only accept expressed information that is sanctioned and approved by god's holy spirit, which is provided through the GB Watchtower heads, so its not surprising at all that when you discuss certain subjects objectively they are closed minded and become intellectually dishonest .

So WTS information is accurately truthful and outside worldly information is false

The WTS/GB heads in reality were and still are novice bible theologians who are avowed to promote their own doctrines they make, to sell them and enforce them at will even though they are not supported by the bible or secular knowledge, they essentially created a worldly Kingdom of their own devise and as expected they plan to keep what they have established and acquired.

MeanMrMustard

In the end, if you read the relevant scriptures grammatically, then the plain meaning that comes from that grammatical reading, as opposed to reading into the scriptures an ideology, is easy to see, and there are no contradictions with the historical evidence.

scholar

Jeffro

There you go again claiming I've copied someone else's work, dismissing my work as 'pretty charts' without research, all signs confirming that you feel threatened. You then try to claim credit by imagining that I've provided information merely as a result of your posts, which is also wrong (I would give some credit to former posters on here like AnnOMaly, Leolaia and Alan Feuerbacher for encouraging deeper research though). In fact, I wasn't even aware of this forum when I first posted information online (some of which was copied by JWFacts) - you can readily verify the year 2004 in the footer of my timeline and my first post on this forum in 2005. So yet again, you are shown to be wrong.

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You misread me for I have never said that you have copied another's work but have been heavily influenced by the work of others and fallen under their spell and as I was part of that long-running controversy on this forum over many years there can be no doubt that I have contributed to your obsession with JW Chronology.

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johnamos

Jeremiah's focus concerning the 70 years was that those 70 years would be the period that Babylon would be a world power and during such time the nations would have to serve Babylon as such. Serving Babylon was not dependent on being in captivity or desolate. The serving started as a result of Babylon becoming a world power and it ended when their time as such a power ended.

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Your interpretation of the 70 years that it is only one of Babylonian servitude is wrong and does not agree with Jeremiah and the 70 textual corpus. The 70 years was a period of exile in Babylon, a period of the land being desolated and a period of servitude to Babylon as shown by Jer. 25:11-12.

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Rocketman123

One must remember and keep in mind that JWS are trained/brainwashed to only accept expressed information that is sanctioned and approved by god's holy spirit, which is provided through the GB Watchtower heads, so its not surprising at all that when you discuss certain subjects objectively they are closed minded and become intellectually dishonest .

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The above is inapplicable to the said scholar for he is a different animal.

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scholar

MeanMrMustard

In the end, if you read the relevant scriptures grammatically, then the plain meaning that comes from that grammatical reading, as opposed to reading into the scriptures an ideology, is easy to see, and there are no contradictions with the historical evidence.

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Does this comment indicate your skill in linguistics and in Hebrew and Greek?

MeanMrMustard

Does this comment indicate your skill in linguistics and in Hebrew and Greek?

No. Not sure what Greek has to do with Jerimiah, buuuttt... I figure it's a safe bet to lean on the hundreds, if not thousands, of qualified academics that have translated these verses into English.

I suppose you could make the claim that pretty much all of them, professional linguists that they are, couldnt help but botch Jerimiah 25 so terribly again and again. So strange that these hundreds, if not thousands, of experts all understood that the 70 years was desolation and exile, but for some reason kept rendering the verses in English in ways that grammatically separate the desolation of Judah and servitude of "these nations".

Is that what we have? A world of terrible translators? Including the NWT committee too? Because they render it the same way...

Jeffro

scholar:

You misread me for I have never said that you have copied another's work but have been heavily influenced by the work of others and fallen under their spell

You said ‘rehash’ but regardless of the semantics, you’re still wrong. I researched the subject from scratch using only the Bible and comparison with JW literature and then comparison with encyclopaedias and ancient historians. Even once I heard about COJ I delayed reading his work to maintain an independent analysis.

and as I was part of that long-running controversy on this forum over many years there can be no doubt that I have contributed to your obsession with JW Chronology.

Don’t flatter yourself. At best, your role in this is a comic foil demonstrating the irrationality of the opposing view for me to respond for the benefit of other readers.

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