Something happened in 1975?
Certainly did!
Franz - just like Rutherford some 50 years earlier (i.e.1925 ) - “made an ass” of himself.
Interesting Find with Chronology
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Rocketman123
But he/they did so effectively toward increasing the circulation of the literature the WTS published.
A little bit of fear, bullshit and ignorance can go along way in religious charlatanism .
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Jefro
You really have mastered the art of being completely and utterly wrong to the point of embarrassment. Predictably, you will try echoing the same thing, but I’m in complete agreement with the scholars you claim to respect
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I would rather base my Chronology on the Bible rather than theories and opinions of men. The Apostle Paul stated 'let God be True'- Romans 3:3,4.
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Rocketman123
This is a typical way JWs get around the 70 years of desolation, they interpret words selectively to suit themselves.
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Chronology is about Methodology and Interpretation. We have the right to interpret the Bible and you have that same right to do so so stop whining and being a 'girlie man'.
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So SA what year did Nebuchadnezzar finally invaded Jerusalem and destroy the Temple there ?
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607 BCE
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What year did Nebuchadnezzar firstly overthrow Jerusalem and take controlling power over the city and its inhabitants ?
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617 BCE
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No lies but simple facts or our wondrous Bible Chronology!!!
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notsurewheretogo
And still gets it wrong and shows Cognitive Dissonance.
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Unlike you, I am in control of my cognitive dissonance.
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Rocketman123
Same old bullshit hey Apostate Scholar .
There are vast resources to conclude that 586 was right not 607.
The only resource you hold to is from the lying corrupt WTS's. theological dating which has no support, biblicaly or through archeological evidence.
Perhaps you can tell us why 500 years or more latter on when Jesus himself said no one knows of the time not even he ???
Was Jesus a liar and shouldn't be respected and adhered to ?
Should true Christians adhere to the words spoken by the WTS men (YOU) or Jesus Christ ?
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MeanMrMustard
No, the 70 years ends, then Babylon is called to account. This is the order objectively, clearly stated at Jer 25:12. And that fits with 2 Chronicles. The Bible need not contradict
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True the Bible does not contradict so one's interpretation must be in harmony with not just the context, the Bible book itself and the whole Bible. The 70 years ends with the 'calling to account of Babylon' which according to Jer. 21:12 what is clearly stated in that verse was only after the 70 years was fulfilled and not before that time. When were the 70 years fulfilled? This could only be at the Return of the Jews in 537 BCE and not at the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE.
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The servitude was many nations to Babylon (v 10,11), and was already ongoing at the time of Jer 25 - see v18 "as they are today".
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The servitude to Babylon of a specific period of 70 years applied to Judah which also included other nations as stated in Jer. 25:11
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ou don't even need to get into contemporary sources. A grammatical reading of the text rules out WT chronology.---
Are you an expert in Hebrew and Bible translation?
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You concede WT chronology is incorrect. If "Babylon was already brought to account with the release of the Exiles" in 539, and Jer 25:12 states the seventy years end before the calling to account, then the 70 years ended 539 or before. But definitely not 537.
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I concede no such thing. Babylon's calling to account or judgement was not immediate but a process in time as verse 12 clearly explains culminating with its desolation of the land which did not happen in 539 BCE. A careful and not sloppy reading of that verse proves that the judgement against Babylon could only have begun after the Return of the Jews in 537 BCE.
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Rocketman123
Through historical evidence the land of Judea including Jerusalem lay desolate for only approximately 50 years, the accession over the land didn't start until the year Nebuchadnezzar took to throne after his father in 605 BCE.
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The historical evidence is that Judah remained desolate for exactly 70 years and began with the Fall with Nerbuchadnezzer ending with the Return under Cyrus nicely confirmed by the historian Josephus in several places.The 70 years of Babylonian servitude could not have begun at the beginning of Neb's reign because Judah was under the domination of Egypt for a time.
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Nebuchadnezzar's final invasion of Jerusalem including destroying the temple and taking most of the important inhabitants to Babylon was in his 19th year of rein--
This deportation marked the beginning of the servitude of Jews to Babylon in 617 BCE with the Kings of Judah became vassals to neb but the 70 years did not begin at that time because the land had not become desolate with the beginning of the Exile.
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Rocketman123
A careful and not sloppy reading of that verse proves that the judgement against Babylon could only have begun after the Return of the Jews in 537 BCE.
The trick the WTS/JWS pulls is saying that desolation (70 years) is the same as servitude (70 years) to back date to 607.
Rearranging history to suit themselves in other words.
Al little more insightful information.......
The siege of Jerusalem was a military campaign carried out by Nebuchadnezzar II, king of Babylon, in 597 BC. In 605 BC, he defeated Pharaoh Necho at the Battle of Carchemish, and subsequently invaded Judah. According to the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle, King Jehoiakim of Judah rebelled against Babylonian rule, but Nebuchadnezzar captured the city and installed Zedekiah as ruler.
Siege[edit]
To avoid the destruction of Jerusalem, King Jehoiakim of Judah, in his third year, changed his allegiance from Egypt to Babylon. He paid tribute from the treasury in Jerusalem, some temple artifacts and some of the royal family and nobility as hostages.[1] In 601 BC, during the fourth year of his reign, Nebuchadnezzar unsuccessfully attempted to invade Egypt and was repulsed with heavy losses. The failure led to numerous rebellions among the states of the Levant which owed allegiance to Babylon, including Judah, where King Jehoiakim stopped paying tribute to Nebuchadnezzar[2] and took a pro-Egyptian position.
Nebuchadnezzar soon dealt with these rebellions. According to the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle,[3] he laid siege to Jerusalem, which eventually fell in 597 BC. The Chronicle states:
In the seventh year [of Nebuchadnezzar, 598 BC] in the month Chislev [November/December] the king of Babylon assembled his army, and after he had invaded the land of Hatti (Syria/Palestine) he laid siege to the city of Judah. On the second day of the month of Adar [16 March] he conquered the city and took the king [Jeconiah] prisoner. He installed in his place a king [Zedekiah] of his own choice, and after he had received rich tribute, he sent forth to Babylon.[4]
Jehoiakim died during the siege, possibly on December 10, 598 BC,[5] or during the months of Kislev,[6] or Tevet.[7] Nebuchadnezzar pillaged the city and its Temple, and the new king Jeconiah, who was either 8 or 18, and his court and other prominent citizens and craftsmen, were deported to Babylon.[8] The deportation occurred prior to Nisan of 597 BC, and dates in the Book of Ezekiel are counted from that event.[9]
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Rocketman123
So scholar ....
Perhaps you can tell us why some 500 years or more latter on of what happened to ancient Jerusalem, when Jesus himself said no one knows of the time not even he ???