Interesting Find with Chronology (page 8)

Rocketman123

If you closely examine religions like the JWS you can see its formulated upon an agreed to and accepted arrangement of lies.

Surprising or not men can build up their own Kingdom upon those self empowering lies by gullible and naive believers.

neat blue dog

Unlike you, I am in control of my cognitive dissonance.

Hold up...You admit to having cognitive dissonance? Assuming you know what that means, what contradictory beliefs are you trying to hold right now? Is it that JWs are the truth, but they're wrong about debating with apostates online? Or something else?

Jeffro

scholar:

I would rather base my Chronology on the Bible rather than theories and opinions of men.

🤣 You doggedly agree with a bunch of old men in New York. I have already provided a timeline of the period based only on the Bible, which just happens to agree with the best scholars on the matter (including scholars recommended by pseudo-scholar on this very thread) .

Jeffro

scholar:

The historical evidence is that Judah remained desolate for exactly 70 years and began with the Fall with Nerbuchadnezzer ending with the Return under Cyrus nicely confirmed by the historian Josephus in several places.

Nope. Wrong again. Not only are you obviously wrong about the duration of the exile (as distinct from Babylon's 70 years of power from 609 to 539), but parts of Judea remained populated through the exilic period (Ephraim Stern).

Additionally, though Josephus erroneously gives 70 years in one location, he correctly gives 50 in others, and also indicates a 182.5 year period "from the captivity of the ten tribes to the first year of Cyrus" that is not compatible with Watch Tower Society chronology.

scholar

Jeffro

ou doggedly agree with a bunch of old men in New York. I have already provided a timeline of the period based only on the Bible, which just happens to agree with the best scholars on the matter.

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Your timeline is faulty as its interpretation of the 70 years is misp[laced and further WT scholars have already produced a more accurate timeline. Scholars have different timelines for the Divided Monarchy and there is no consensus for this period of history within current scholarship so your comment that your timeline is in agreement with the best scholars is simply bunkum.

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Jeffro

Your timeline is faulty as its interpretation of the 70 years is misp[laced and further WT scholars have already produced a more accurate timeline. Scholars have different timelines for the Divided Monarchy and there is no consensus for this period of history within current scholarship so your comment that your timeline is in agreement with the best scholars is simply bunkum.

We're talking about the Neo-Babylonian period, not the entire Divided Monarchy. Nice try at muddying the waters. But yes, even in the broader period, where there is disagreement among scholars, my timeline (with years for Judah and Israel based only on the Bible along with Decision Table analysis where needed) is within the bounds of the various years advanced by scholars unlike Watch Tower Society gibberish which is broadly recognised as fringe nonsense.

You can talk in circles all you like, but your 'interpretation' (really just going along with Watch Tower) of Babylon's 70 years is plainly irrational.

Rocketman123

The WTS conveniently and perhaps dishonestly made servitude and desolation the same thing even though there was a clear distinction to what happened to Jerusalem and its inhabitants.

What is also interesting is lets say we use the year 537 as Scholar does and go back to 605 when Nebuchadnezzar first overthrew Jerusalem, you still only arrive at 68 years.

The true desolation didn't start until 586 BCE.

scholar

Jeffro

Nope. Wrong again. Not only are you obviously wrong about the duration of the exile (as distinct from Babylon's 70 years of power from 609 to 539), but parts of Judea remained populated through the exilic period (Ephraim Stern).

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Nope! Wrong again: The 70 years of the Exile is identical with the 70 years of Babylonish Servitude along with 70 years of Desolation.

Did the Israelites remain captive in Babylon for 70 years as the Bible foretold? Note the comments of a leading Israeli archaeologist, Ephraim Stern. “From 604 B.C.E. to 538 B.C.E.—there is a complete gap in evidence suggesting occupation. In all that time, not a single town destroyed by the Babylonians was resettled.” The so-called gap in which there was no occupation or resettling of conquered territory corresponds closely to Israel’s exile in Babylon from 607 to 537 B.C.E.—2 Chronicles 36:20, 21.

So you should pay attention to Stern and while we are at it you should also read Avraham Faust!!-----Additionally, though Josephus erroneously gives 70 years in one location, he correctly gives 50 in others, but also indicates a 182.5 year period that is not compatible with Watch Tower Society chronology.----Josephus identifies the 70 years four times in agreement with WT interpretation and Chronology and on the 5th occasion he refers to a period of 50 years from an event within the 70 year period.
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Jeffro

Question for 'scholar': if, as Watch Tower says, Daniel was brought to Babylon in 618 BCE and 3 years later was found by Nebuchadnezzar to be 10 times wiser than everyone else and given a position serving before the king, why was Daniel completely unknown to Nebuchadnezzar in 606 BCE when called to interpret a dream?

(Answer: Watch Tower Society chronology is nuts. In the story*, Daniel is brought to Babylon in Nebuchadnezzar's first year and interprets the dream the following year during the training period, and then at the end of training all of the trainees are brought before Nebuchadnezzar for final assessment.)

* Note: though the book of Daniel was written later and is not historical, the relative years of reign are provided in the story.

scholar

Rocketman123

The WTS conveniently and perhaps dishonestly made servitude and desolation the same thing even though there was a clear distinction to what happened to Jerusalem and its inhabitants

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No dishonesty just careful reading of the relevant is all that is required that the periods of servitude, exile and desolation are synchronistic, three elements running together as prophesied by Jeremiah, witnessed and experienced by Jeremiah, Daniel and Ezekiel and historically validated by Ezra the historian further confirmed by Josephus.

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What is also interesting is lets say we use the year 537 as Scholar does and go back to 605 when Nebuchadnezzar first overthrew Jerusalem, you still only arrive at 68 years

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Bad math. You can only 607 if you go back 70 years from 537 BCE. Try again!

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The true desolation didn't start until 586 BCE.

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Incorrect: 607 BCE is the only possible date

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