by Vanderhoven7 150 Replies latest watchtower bible
scholar:
This is mere speculation on your part. LOL!
No, doofus. I only indicated that it is highly likely, which is an entirely accurate assessment based on the fact that Furuli is the only known source for the claim. Of course, if the Watch Tower Society weren’t so dishonest, they would properly credit their alleged source.
Jeffro
No, doofus. I only indicated that it is highly likely, which is an entirely accurate assessment based on the fact that Furuli is the only known source for the claim. Of course, if the Watch Tower Society weren’t so dishonest, they would properly credit their alleged source.
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No, boofhead. Your comment is mere speculation without any facts to hand. The very fact that there were researchers- plural indicates that there are others competent to make an assessment in this matter. The WT has noted this fact with the appropriate methodology employed by these other experts so no dishonesty to hand.
scholar JW
'scholar':
The very fact that there were researchers- plural indicates that there are others competent to make an assessment in this matter.
"fact"? Nothing about the claim in the article indicates a "fact" about the "researchers". The 'researchers' could be Furuli (who may have had an assistant) or could just be some lads at 'Bethel' who were tasked with fudging some results to fit the Watch Tower Society's narrative.
The WT has noted this fact with the appropriate methodology employed by these other experts so no dishonesty to hand.
hahaha... 😂 the only citation anywhere near the claim about the anonymous 'researchers' is the name of a software program, with no identification of the 'researchers', their credentials (or even evidence of basic competency), or their affiliation with Watch Tower, nor is any evidence provided that supports the findings asserted... but okay then, since you say they followed the "appropriate methodology", this must mean I missed where they cited their sources identifying the researchers... feel free to enlighten us all as to the identity of these 'researchers'... 🤣 Worst of all, the article does provide some citations (some of whom are misrepresented, including Brown, Sack and Steele), so it's not that they weren't trying to give the appearance of the "appropriate methodology". So their failure to properly cite the identity of the key "researchers" for their claims is particularly suspect.
Jeffries, n Bobcat, well covered. Scholar is well schooled. Scholar does not “own his truth”.
Scholar is intelligent. (And aware of this).
Scholar is intelligent. ( as are some GB men).
Scholar is focused on strengthening his line of thought and 3 times for repetition via his repeated same lines here is evident he is determined.
Scholar should be on the GB. He is Sooo well suited.
Scholar must be immune. He is disobedient and an independent thinker.
The disciples of Jesus in the first century were the ones that SAW the Pharisees folly and and lit it up. !
Today Scholar is defending the one Jehovah has exposed, GB and will do so more and more.
Scholar DOES NOT own his truth. That is simple to see.
Scholar has sold out. He is trying to defend a teaching from a powerful Pharisee like group of men with atrocities in their recent history... and yet he is ignoring their much publicised “counsel” about coming to forums like this.
Any so called proofs he presents here are - by nature - Not Valid. Why?
Because Scholar himself IGNORES (by coming here). The advice from the GB themselves! (Who tell Scholar not to come here.)
Regarding the 70 years of servitude/bondage or desolation a number of Bible commentators believe that the biblical prophet was in error to predicting 70 years of such instead of 50 years. Some others though accepting the 70 years use a start date (for the count) that is 20 years earlier to thus be compatible with the archaeologically supported 587/586 B.C.E. date.
Noted bible prophets were liars, the people who support those lies are liars themselves (WTS) and intellectually dishonest.
The greatest component of most major religions is an agreement to lies which are then proclaimed certified by god himself.
Why is that ? ........is it about power
Is it that power corrupts ?
To gain membership in association to a religious organization like the JWS you have to express an agreement to established lies previously made by men..
Scholar obviously knows about that
You only have one-third of the story for you have forgotten the 70 years of Exile and the land desolate for the Exilic period.
There is no requirement from Jer 25 for the seventy years to equate to that of exile and desolation; actually quite the opposite, as it's applied explicitly to many nations, and applied to the time of Jer 25 before the last exile. 2 Chron doesn't require it, nor does Daniel.
This has been covered ad nauseum - a plain grammatical reading of the scriptures fits perfectly fine with secular history. The WT's version of events is another story...
Jeffro
"fact"? Nothing about the claim in the article indicates a "fact" about the "researchers". The 'researchers' could be Furuli (who may have had an assistant) or could just be some lads at 'Bethel' who were tasked with fudging some results to fit the Watch Tower Society's narrative
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Nonsense boofhead. The facts are that the researchers (plural) as explained in footnote 19. p.28 of the article used three computer programs examining the lunar positions only and excluding the planetary observations because these were open to interpretation and speculation.
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hahaha... 😂 the only citation anywhere near the claim about the anonymous 'researchers' is the name of a software program, with no identification of the 'researchers', their credentials (or even evidence of basic competency), or their affiliation with Watch Tower, nor is any evidence provided that supports the findings asserted... but okay then, since you say they followed the "appropriate methodology", this must mean I missed where they cited their sources identifying the researchers... feel free to enlighten us all as to the identity of these 'researchers'... 🤣 Worst of all, the article does provide some citations (some of whom are misrepresented, including Brown, Sack and Steele), so it's not that they weren't trying to give the appearance of the "appropriate methodology". So their failure to properly cite the identity of the key "researchers" for their claims is particularly suspect.
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Incorrect boofhead. Three sources and not one as you wrongly assert were used as described in the footnote. Further, the researchers are not identified but if that troubles you then you can always write a letter seeking the information that you require. The articles provide a list of references which all have been correctly quoted in support of the article's viewpoint adhering to normal academic conventions recognizing that the sources have differing views on the matter.
The simple fact is that you do not like this research because it clearly provides solid proof for 607 BCE causing wt critics much angst.
scholar JW
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MeanMrMustrad
There is no requirement from Jer 25 for the seventy years to equate to that of exile and desolation; actually quite the opposite, as it's applied explicitly to many nations, and applied to the time of Jer 25 before the last exile. 2 Chron doesn't require it, nor does Daniel.
This has been covered ad nauseum - a plain grammatical reading of the scriptures fits perfectly fine with secular history. The WT's version of events is another story..
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False. Jeremiah was all about the Exile(s) for it occurs 30 times as listed in the NWT so one can readily see that 'the Exile' was thematic in Jeremiah's prophesying. The ch.25 clearly describes the Exile and its consequences of exiles or deportees having to leave a desolated or ravaged landscape and being bonded or made to serve the conquering power, Babylon as other nations also were made to do. This means that Jeremiah, Ezra, Daniel all described the 70 year period of Exile as also a period of a desolated land, servitude to Babylon during the exile in Babylon.
Further, the WT version of history as you put it is confirmed by the historian Josephus.
scholar JW
