The Great Crowd! (page 4)

honest

A Believer. Idle threats?!?! 150 years predicting Armageddon and it has never come yay I truly believe you and your cult leaders that I'll be annihilated at Armageddon 😂😂😂

Let's see pedophile Jehovahs witnesses will be saved by jerkhovah because they are in his organisation, billions of good people will be killed because they don't believe in your God and cult......

Don't you understand your imaginary threats mean nothing to me. I don't believe in you and your cult and i don't believe in the book you place your beliefs In. so threatening me with annihilation from your evil God is like me telling you Santa is real 😱

sir82

Sir82 read the article I posted and u will understand.

I've read it and dozens of other similar articles published by the WTS over decades.

They don't address the issue I raised.

I can re-read it a hundred more times, but if it doesn't address the issue, that doesn't make me "understand".

A Believer

26 Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah,+ so it will be in the days of the Son of man:

Imagine Noah building the ark. Everyone laughs at him. Thinking their is no such thing as rain. They see Noah go into the ark and door closes. He doesn't come out for days. Everyone back then thought he was a fool, until it started raining.

A Believer

Sir82 Part of me believes you sincerely don't want to understand. That article is perfect in explaining it.

Sanchy

Sanchy We can stand before God that day. And temples back then would be like KHs now. Still...who are survivors of great tribulation from every nation? Not angels. Can you answer me that?

Who said anything about angels? The great crowd is any that are not of the israelite 144k that are before the great throne. I'm guessing you are not going to read the link I provided, so I'll quote related segments directly:

A strong indication that the Great Crowd are in heaven is that when Revelation 7:15 states that the Great Crowd are "in his temple" it uses the Greek word naos. Naos refers to the inner temple or temple sanctuary. General worshippers were only allowed in the outer courtyard; hieron. The Great Crowd are not on earth, they are in naos, the centre of the temple, the temple sanctuary; that is, they are in heaven itself with the 144,000.
The Watchtower Society understands this distinction between naosnaos and hieron. In the Watchtower 1960 Aug 15 p.493 it explained;
"The fact is that this temple was not just one building but a series of structures of which the temple sanctuary was the center. In the original tongue this is made quite clear, the Scripture writers distinguishing between the two by the use of the words hieron and naos. Hieron referred to the entire temple grounds, whereas naos applied to the temple structure itself, the successor of the tabernacle in the wilderness. Thus John tells that Jesus found all this traffic in the hieron."

wizzstick

Still...who are survivors of great tribulation from every nation? Not angels. Can you answer me that?

They are in naos. That's what the Bible says:

15 That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple (na·oi); and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them.

Here are some other examples of the use of naos:

Rev 11:19
And the temple sanctuary (naos) of God that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen in his temple sanctuary (nao). And there occurred lightnings and voices and thunders and an earthquake and a great hail.

Rev 11:19
And the temple sanctuary (naos) of God that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen in his temple sanctuary (nao). And there occurred lightnings and voices and thunders and an earthquake and a great hail.

Rev 14:17
17 And still another angel emerged from the temple sanctuary (naou) that is in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle.

Rev 16:17
And the seventh one poured out his bowl upon the air. At this a loud voice issued out of the sanctuary (naou) from the throne, saying: “It has come to pass!”

Rev 21:22
And I did not see a temple (naon) in it, for Jehovah God the Almighty is its temple (naos) , also the Lamb [is]

How can they be in the same place as Jehovah and be on Earth at the same time?

Or will God be living on Earth in the future?

A Believer

The 144000 are called a great crowd too. In Revelation 19 1. Of course they are in heaven. Like we've discussed their are multiple Great crowds in the Bible, it doesn't just refer to one group.

9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,

14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation,+

This isn't the same great crowd as in revelation 19.

wizzstick

If you are interested you can read my PowerPoint where I pasted my answers which I found from the WT.

Questions are at the top of the slides, and answers copy and pasted below:

The Great Crowd - where are they?

It's bare boned and has no whizzy stuff, and was only meant to store my research, but you're more than welcome to take a gander.

You may find the slides 33 and 34 interesting as it shows where Naos was on Herod's temple.

Naos was the place that only the high priest could enter - even Jesus on Earth couldn't enter naos...

Sanchy

A Believer, take your time and analyze what wizzstick wrote. The temple sanctuary or "naos" (the greek word used in Rev 7:15) is shown time after time to be "in heaven".

There is no way around it. This "Great Crowd" is in heaven. Who they are is up to anyone's interpretation, but they are not on Earth.

wizzstick

This isn't the same great crowd as in revelation 19.

You seem to be fixated on this point.

I'm speaking about where they are. Not which great crowd is which.

The great crowd of Rev 7:15 are in naos.

The Great Crowd!

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