Jehovah's witnesses at polish border. Wtf (page 2)

WokenfromJWcult

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V1eTHKdG_8 can't see them doing much good except for protecting cats escaping

Yomama

Breaking news august 2016 broadcasting missing.

Marcial

Marcial ne parle pas anglais, encore moins l'écrit, il ne peut donc participer à vos échanges qu'à travers le traducteur automatique le plus fiable (deepl.com/translator). Merci. MARCIAL

WingCommander

You really think Ukrainian JW men ages 18-60 will take up arms and fight for the country they live in? LOL!!!!!!

They will either:

1. Flee for another country, consequences be damned.

OR

2. Do what they've seen in JW publications for years now: Hide in their homes, up in their secret rooms, attics, basements, etc. Anywhere where they can cower and so that they can't be seen or have to come out and fight. It's "The End" after all.

Say, what's Anthony Moron da Turd have to say about all this? He was overheard to say:

"GULP-GULP-GULP!"

Disillusioned JW

Unlike in North Korea the JW men in the Ukraine can get a religious exemption (perhaps being required to do medical work during wartime or some other noncombat community service). Note that https://www.refworld.org/docid/57a188544.html (a website of the UN) says the following (the bold face emphasis is mine).

'2. Conscientious Objectors

Sources state that the Ukrainian military allows for alternative service for conscientious objectors (US 14 Oct. 2015, 5; UN Sept. 2015, para. 36; Equal Rights Trust Aug. 2015, 192) based on religious grounds (ibid.; UN Sept. 2015, para. 36). According to information posted on the website of the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Article 35 of The Constitution of Ukraine states that

[n]o one shall be relieved of his or her duties before the State or refuse to perform the laws for reasons of religious beliefs. In the case that the performance of military duty is contrary to the religious beliefs of a citizen, the performance of this duty shall be replaced by alternative (non-military) service. (Ukraine [2015])

The 2004 summary version of the 1992 Law of Ukraine "'On Alternative (Non-Military) Service'," as found on the website of the Institute for Religious Freedom (IRF), a Kyiv-based human rights NGO that assists "in the realization of freedom of conscience, religion, beliefs and other related human rights…and dissemination of information on the status of the law and religious life" in Ukraine (IRF n.d.), states that

[c]itizens shall do alternative service on the enterprises which are in state or communal ownership or dominant part in the state fund of which is in the state or communal ownership. Activity of such enterprises shall be related to social protection of population, health protection, environmental protection, building, housing and communal services, and agriculture. Besides, alternative service may be conducted in medical attendance service in Red Cross organizations of Ukraine. Labour relations between the citizen who does military service and enterprise shall be maintained on the basis of written fixed-date labour agreement. (Ukraine 2004)

Further information on the details of alternative non-military service could not be found among the sources consulted by the Research Directorate within the time constraints of this Response.

According to a report by Equal Rights Trust[1], which was written in partnership with the LGBT Human Right Centre Nash Mir, the religious groups that are able to claim conscientious objector status, on the basis that their religious organisations do not allow their members to bear arms, are: Adventist Reform Church, Seventh Day Adventists, Evangelical Christians, Evangelical Christian-Baptists, the Slavic Church of the Holy Spirit (Pokutnyky), Jehovah's Witnesses, the Charismatic Christian Churches and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (Equal Rights Trust Aug. 2015, 192). An excerpt from the forthcoming (2016) book Free Radicals: War Resisters in Prison, by CJ Hinke, as found on the website of World Beyond War, a "global nonviolent movement to end war and establish a just and sustainable peace" (World Beyond War n.d.b), similarly indicates that in Ukraine, those who are able to claim religious conscientious objector status are: Seventh Day Adventists, Baptists, Adventists-Reformists, Jehovah's Witnesses and Charismatic Christians (ibid. n.d.a).'

https://www.state.gov/reports/2020-report-on-international-religious-freedom/ukraine/ ("An official website of the United States Government") mentions legal cases involving JWs in Ukraine.

https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/by-region/ukraine/human-rights-conscientious-objectors/ has a news article which says the following (the bold face emphasis is mine). "Ukraine’s high court has affirmed that conscientious objectors have the right to alternative service even in times of civil unrest and war. This decision has broad implications for human rights, both in Ukraine and abroad.

... The courts of Ukraine have recognized that conscientious objection to military service is a fundamental human right that merits protection even during military mobilization. It is neither a selfish evasion of duty nor a threat to national interests and security. In affirming the rulings of the lower courts, the high court has upheld human rights for all Ukrainians. Ukraine has set an example for countries that punish conscientious objectors who refuse military service for reasons of conscience."

Gorb

Let them do this, it's not wrong to help people on the run. The intentions are good.

G.

Jehovah's witnesses at polish border. Wtf