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Why reference an apostate (Furuli) to support your organization's multiple assumption speculation.
As I said, I concur with the New Testament....not a man-made, man-run organization that never got a single prophecy right.
What is not based on speculation or newspaper exegesis is the fact that the The WTS was never led by the Spirit of God.
The New Testament says that Christ was enthroned in the first century. Col.1:13
Why reference an apostate (Furuli)
Colorful fallacious logic: Messenger doesn’t invalidate the messenger by being tte messenger.
multiple assumption speculation.
That’s not true. This thread has shown wt interpretation of the evidence is valid,
As I said, I concur with the New Testament...
How fo you interpret the evidence without understanding what it says?
not a man-made, man-run organization
Your belief doesn’t debunk the evidence.
never got a single prophecy right.
That is not true.
The WTS was never led by the Spirit of God.
God’s only org on earth like The religious system of the Israelites
The New Testament says that Christ was enthroned in the first century.
No it doesn’t. It says Jesus sat on God’s right hand. Revelation speaks about future event of birth of God’s kingdom.
Colossians 1:13
Compare Luke 17:20. Jesus refers to himself as the kingdom of God although still on earth for example. The same can be said about the kingdom in Colossians.
True, the messenger does not invalidate the message. I agree, what Furuli says about the bogus WTS Faithful Slave is virtually flawless. Man-made, Man-run organization that could never get it right.
You say that the Watchtower Society has interpreted prophecy accurately. Lets examine the WTS record.
Can you list for me what you know are false or misapplied interpretations of Biblical prophecy made by your organization followed by a list of all the clearly correct interpretations of Biblical prophecy they have made?
True, the messenger does not invalidate the message. I agree, what Furuli says about the bogus WTS Faithful Slave is virtually flawless. Man-made, Man-run organization that could never get it right.
A doctor’s secular qualifications is medicine. He may not be qualified in other fields.
Hi Fisherman,
That the WTS has misinterpreted and misapplied biblical prophecy on numerous occasions is evident to all but some clueless GB followers. I can understand that many who are aware don't to want to acknowledge it publicly. Are you among them? After all admitting this might cast doubt on the Slave's mandate and ability to interpret scripture for believers.
The onus to demonstrate that I was wrong about the WTS never getting it right is on you btw.
Vanderhaven7, from a scriptural point of view (according to one or more biblical verses) I think you might be correct in saying that Christ began king in the 1st century CE, but what about what Revelation says of Christ to become king in the future for 1000 years.
My recollection is that Christ became king over the Christian congregation in 33 CE, but not king over the entire Earth at time. That is view which long held strong scriptural support to me. Likewise even after I became an atheistic naturalist it still my view that the Bible teaches such (but of course I disbelieve in much of the Bible). Furthermore part of Revelation says that Christ will reign over the Earth at a time in which Satan is in the abyss for 1,000 years, and that that 1,000 period will follow the end of the battle of Armageddon.
What are your thoughts about Revelation in regards to the idea of Christ having become king in 33 CE.
I agree that the WTS has a very poor record of interpreting biblical prophecies (and even other biblical subjects) accurately. I am now really surprised about how small a percentage of the Bible the WTS interprets correctly. For example, I am lately impressed by what Sea Breeze has very recently said (in a topic thread about whether Jesus is Michael the archangel) about the Bible's meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words which are translated as "spirit". I am thus increasingly viewing most of the WTS's literature as mostly disadvantageous. That realization makes it increasingly disappointing to me that I have studied so much of the WTS literature for so long.
Hi Van,
Relating to the subject matter of this thread, I’ve already posted that scholar validated 607 as plausible. In other words, it hasn’t been debunked . You can have your personal feelings about the wt but what is interesting is if you could prove wt theology is wrong. Sure they continue to learn and understand God’s word but that doesn’t discredit them. IMHO, their work in interpreting and publishing the Bible is remarkable and after the Bible writers who gave us God’s, it is the greatest Bible educational work in human history.
Hi DJW,
Yes, as I see it, Jesus was enthroned at his Ascension. i also believe that shortly after his coming, the resurrection to judgment will begin and the millennium inaugurated and that He will reign with his saints on the earth until all creation is perfected.
The WTS did get some things right, nonetheless every doctrine which is unique to Jehovah's Witnesses is not in the Bible including much of their eschatology and their two tier soteriology.
Yes, as I see it, Jesus was enthroned at his Ascension.
You can believe that but it is not supported by the Bible because Jesus did not begin to rule as king. For example consider Rev 11:1-14 had not occurred at Jesus ascension then Rev11:15 Also Bible clearly says that Jesus was only sitting at God’s right at that time.
So. clearly he was not ruling as king because if so he would be sitting on his throne in heaven. At that time he couldn’t do that because Satan was there in heaven ( “until I put your enemies as a footstool..” alluding to being cast to God’s footstool, the earth). Jesus’s enthronement is described in Rev 12, later on when Satan was cast to the earth.
Correction: I had typos when I said the following. "My recollection is that Christ became king over the Christian congregation in 33 CE, but not king over the entire Earth at time. That is view which long held strong scriptural support to me." I should have said the following instead. "My recollection of WTS teaching is that Christ became king over the Christian congregation in 33 CE, but not king over the entire Earth at time. That view is one which long held strong scriptural support to me."
